[New]Jedi Kensai Versus

Asuazeta · Post by **Asuazeta** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:13 am

Two-Weapon Fighting Kensai
18 10 16 08 10 08
Light Side Master
Class: Scout 4/Guardian 16
Level 1 Scout: [Feat]Toughness, [Feat]Implant
Level 2 Scout: [Feat]Critical Strike
Level 3 Scout: [Feat]Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 4 Scout: [Feat]Implant, [Feat]Uncanny Dodge
Level 1 Guardian: [Feat]Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 2 Guardian:
Level 3 Guardian: [Feat]Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 4 Guardian:
Level 5 Guardian:
Level 6 Guardian: [Feat]Flurry
Level 7 Guardian: [Feat]Implant
Level 8 Guardian:
Level 9 Guardian: [Feat]Lightsaber
Level 10 Guardian:
Level 11 Guardian:
Level 12 Guardian: [Feat]Lightsaber
Level 13 Guardian: [Feat]Toughness
Level 14 Guardian:
Level 15 Guardian: [Feat]Toughness
Level 16 Guardian:

Dueling Kensai
18 14 14 08 10 08
Dark Side Master
Class: Soldier 5/Guardian 15
Level 1 Soldier: [Feat]Dueling
Level 2 Soldier: [Feat]Critical Strike
Level 3 Soldier: [Feat]Implant
Level 4 Soldier: [Feat]Dueling
Level 5 Soldier: [Feat]Power Attack
Level 1 Guardian: [Feat]Dueling
Level 2 Guardian:
Level 3 Guardian: [Feat]Power Attack
Level 4 Guardian:
Level 5 Guardian:
Level 6 Guardian: [Feat]Implant
Level 7 Guardian: [Feat]Implant
Level 8 Guardian:
Level 9 Guardian: [Feat]Flurry
Level 10 Guardian:
Level 11 Guardian:
Level 12 Guardian: [Feat]Lightsaber
Level 13 Guardian: [Feat]Lightsaber
Level 14 Guardian:
Level 15 Guardian: [Feat]Toughness

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 4:59 am

Wha? "Jedi Kensai"?

Asuazeta · Post by **Asuazeta** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:46 am

Kensai

Baldur's Gate 2
Class

Fighter -> Kensai

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:17 pm

I don't get the reference... what do you want to know? Which one's better? Because it's difficult to tell unless you list which force powers each build takes and the weapons they're using...

Gizkanator · Post by **Gizkanator** » Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:23 pm

Definitely a powerhouse in fighting, but Force powers make a big impact on combat, and with 16 possible Force powers (one per Gaurdian level) it would be a good idea to show those.

Jack Dell · Post by **Jack Dell** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:07 am

i dont mind an hp tank kind of pc, but I just think its boring because if you are melee oriented, you cant cast powers because they are all either resisted or take a huge chunk from your mana.
Force powers are really what the game is about. I personally like a consular than a guardian, as force focus slaps force jump around, and for 2 feats difference its not worth it. Besides, you get loads of mana and with a high wisdom and/or charisma your powers become really hard to resist, which in turn means enemies will very seldomly get within melee range before theyre either paralyzed, stunned, or dancing around in a whirlwind (which is my personal favorite, by the way)
My consular PC was solely dedicated to kick Malak ass without getting touched, and it worked. Even though I was a lightsider I invested in the plague tree, which I casted and then ran around Malak (who was slowed) until he was a weakling and then I whirlwinded him into oblivion. He had such a hard time saving against me.(I had force breach for his force immunity) I enjoyed watching him die without him even touching the ground.
I have a "jedi kensai" and I wasnt at all impressed with his performance, both in general and against malak. I didnt enjoy the fact that he got hit a lot. I mean, sure he could take the punches, but why would you want that if you can avoid being punched at all. Contrary to most opinions, I think guardians suck. But hey, as always, thats just me and maybe Im missing out.

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:51 am

Whether or not you think that "force powers are what the game is about," or whether tanks are boring, it's a fact that melee absolutely kicks the living crap out of force powers in this game. There is absolutely no way force powers can beat, or match, or even come close to matching the amount of damage you can do with a weapon. It doesn't have anything to do with being hit. You can make a guardian that never gets hit just as easily as you can make a consular that never gets hit. Melee outdamages force powers by about five to one, plain and simple.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:27 am

Both, in turn, make simple ranged fighting look silly. If the game wasn't so pretty to play, I think a lot of reviewers would have been more inclined to notice the lack of weapons balance.

Jack Dell · Post by **Jack Dell** » Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:11 pm

the thing is that with the amount of blaster fire going on in the game, increasing blaster damage or improving blasters in any other way would have meant a much harder time for your party. Anyway you are supposed to to be much more powerful as a jedi with a lightsaber than with a couple of blasters. I agree in that it is unbalanced, but maybe it was intentionally unbalanced.

khaselri · Post by **khaselri** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 12:06 pm

It should be harder. If making Blasters stronger would do that fine.

Rem Nac · Post by **Rem Nac** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:13 pm

Using ranged weapons on your enemies can be just as good as lightsabres in my experience.

Often I'll start a fight(some of the ones where you have to face a huge number of enemies) by getting all 3 characters to throw grenades(best if your enemies don't see you beforehand) and then fire weapons, especially ion/sonic blasters to knock people out. By the time my enemies reach me, it only takes a couple of of melee hits to finish them off.

And melee isn't obviously better than force powers. (playing it through for a third time) at the point Im at now, using drain on an enemy takes away more health than several turns with melee.
I geuss it just depends on what your enemy can beat you at. If they're stronger with the force they'll resist your stuns, drains etc, but if they're better at melee then you could hit away for ages without doing any damage.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 3:59 pm

Originally posted by Rem Nac
Using ranged weapons on your enemies can be just as good as lightsabres in my experience.

Often I'll start a fight(some of the ones where you have to face a huge number of enemies) by getting all 3 characters to throw grenades(best if your enemies don't see you beforehand) and then fire weapons, especially ion/sonic blasters to knock people out. By the time my enemies reach me, it only takes a couple of of melee hits to finish them off.

But you didn't just use ranged weapons, did you? You first threw a few grenades, and you finished 'em off with melee. On a direct comparison of melee vs ranged, ranged comes off a bad tenth.

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 10:14 pm

If you're doing more damage with drain than with several rounds of melee then, well, your character's a gimp. Drain does even less damage than lightning. There is no stage in the game where you should be doing less damage with melee than with drain, unless you're deliberately stunting your character.

I'm pretty amazed that you can be bothered manually switching your whole group's weapons back and forth between ranged and melee, though.

Jack Dell · Post by **Jack Dell** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:40 pm

thats very true, it isnt really worth the effort, especially considering that most battles are so damn easy.

sziszko · Post by **sziszko** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:17 am

Re: easy battles

Try out the "Hardcore MOD" can be found here:

http://home.t-online.de/home/Talchia/

Set highest difficulty and enjoy.
There were some battles I had to try 5 times to win.