ranger--->cleric

Thrain · Post by **Thrain** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:29 am

i'm trying out the powerful ranger-->cleric class. he will probably end up dual wielding FoA and the Crom.

the question is, when should i change from the ranger to the cleric? i have ToB installed so an exp cap isn't going to be a problem. if i dual over at level 9, is he just going to end up a cleric who can dual wield?

advice?

Mirk · Post by **Mirk** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:12 pm

even if you dual at 13 (to get an extra 1/2 attack, which i higly recommend) you'll have enough XP to get to where you want:

ran 13 - 1,250,000 XP
cle 14 - 1,350,000 XP
total - 2,600,000 XP

your maxed-attacks duel-weilding destroyer will be casting those 7 lelvel spells before SoA is over!

Mini Me · Post by **Mini Me** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 2:18 pm

I dualled my ranger cleric at 9 and he was fine. as long as he has one spell level when you dual he will get druid spells as the cleric levels grow

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:25 pm

Well...

Personally, I think that cleric/ranger multi is significantly zippier with ToB - having those HLA spells, plus fighter pool HLAs = OUCH!

That being said, dual at 9, 12, or 13 will all be ok. Stick cleric buffs onto your already good THAC0 and watch out!

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 2:33 am

I would dual at lev.9: clerics gets so many buffing spell that you don't need the extra Thac0 and HP, not being able to have mastery means you don't need too many prof. points and a ranger dualled to cleric at 9 will have (too) many of'em, and I would not trade an 1/2 attack for around 4 cleric level.
Apart from the fact that you will be getting HLA much earlier, 4 lev means more spells, stronger spells (specially if you have installed "spell 50"), better turning undead, and those benefit will be particoulary important in SoA, where you are a mid lev. char. (dualling at 13 you will play as low lev. ranger for a third of the game, as a low lev. cleric for a third of the game and only in the last part you will be a mid lev. R/C, while dualling at 9 you will be playing a third of the game as a low lev. char, a third as a mid lev. R/C and the rest as a high lev R/C).
As a last suggestion don't be crazy for Crom, at mid/high lev DUHM will raise your str. to 25 (and dex/con as well) for long time, so I would give that weapon to other char. that will need those benefit more, instead don't pass over clubs (if you dual wield) and staff, specially if you choose a stalker to dual to cleric you can backstab with those weapon (a backstabb with staff of the Ram +6 from a char. with 25 of str. ouch!!!).

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:15 am

Note that if you have ToB installed Stalkers (and Archers) are no longer able to dual class to Clerics.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:36 am

Originally posted by Numinor
Note that if you have ToB installed Stalkers (and Archers) are no longer able to dual class to Clerics.

That's strange, are you sure of that?

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:43 am

99%... I'll test it to be sure, but the last time I tried it wasn't possible.

Edit:
Ok, tested and verified: Stalkers can't dual to clerics (at least with ToB+latest patch installed). I created a human Stalker with sufficient ability scores for dualing, but the dual class button is greyed out.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:44 am

Originally posted by Numinor
99%... I'll test it to be sure, but the last time I tried it wasn't possible.

there was a thread times ago, you are right but:

Originally posted by Mirk
actually, stalkers were able to dual in SoA before ToB. it is still possible with some minor modification:

quote:
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You can still play a stalker/cleric in ToB.
All you need to do is to go to the override folder,
find the file called DUALCALS.2DA, scroll down
until you see STALKER, and change the 0 in the
second column (the Cleric's column) to 1, just like
the beastmaster has a 1 there.
Voila, now your stalker can dual to a cleric!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:31 am

Unless you are going to use stealth a lot (and you should) there is no need to dual at level 9. Dual at level 7, or at level 13 for the extra half attack. It wont make a difference thac0wise so it depends on how long you are prepared to wait.
Personally I would dual at level 7 or nine... probably 7 since I am impatient

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 8:32 am

Originally posted by Bruce Lee
Unless you are going to use stealth a lot (and you should) there is no need to dual at level 9. Dual at level 7, or at level 13 for the extra half attack. It wont make a difference thac0wise so it depends on how long you are prepared to wait.
Personally I would dual at level 7 or nine... probably 7 since I am impatient

I think that to get the druidic spell you need to get to a lev where ranger start to gain spells, which I think is 8.
So to have a char able to cast all the divine spells you need to dual at least at lev. 8, and the extra lev for the HP/prof. point will cost little more than 100k exp, but that is finesse.
Definetly I don't suggest to dual after lev. 9.

Bruce Lee · Post by **Bruce Lee** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:42 am

You don't need to be level 8 to get druidic spells. There will be hardly any difference in hp's. Maybe one or two in the end. A ranger dualed to cleric don't need extra proficiencies. You'll be specialized in every weapon a cleric can use anyway.
The only reason to dual at nine is for the extra stealth.

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:53 am

Umm..

Dualing at 9 (or 12) -if dual you must - will get you an extra weapon star, which may be significant to you.

Also, remember, in many of the game mods & patches Grand Mastery has been restored and may be available to rangers & paladins.

Good gaming!