I Hate The Exp Cap!

cagutsomen · Post by **cagutsomen** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 6:43 pm

my party is all lvl ten and they all stopped even gaing XP when it happaned! this is a serious predicament! my wizard doesn't have enough xp over 45K (the amount to be lvl 10) to craft any sick items! i just got shocking burst and i can't use it b/c ther isn't enough extra XP!

Greywulf · Post by **Greywulf** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 7:51 pm

The level cap is a drag, but the game is pretty short, too. Hopefully they'll pop out an expansion or something and jack the cap up to 20.

Re: your dilemma: you will still get xp for killing higher CR foes (albeit less than if you were at a lower level), but you are right that many of the lower CR foes will not earn your high-level party any xp.

At 10th level, trolls are reliable, you'll get a little xp for crayfish, and many of the Temple denizens will earn you xp, but there are a lot of familiar foes that are just stat padding (most consecutive hits, most damage dealt, most critical hits, etc.) fodder at this point - lacedons, skeletons, pirates, bandits, lizards, etc...

What I do is rest in the wild a lot and pray for trolls to attack. Your wizard will get xp and be able to enchant items.

cagutsomen · Post by **cagutsomen** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:46 pm

thanks that's great news. i hate levels caps in general. they are so dumb, what they should do it just have it so the creatures in the game yeild only so much xp so that at very high levels killing them yeilds very little xp. but about getting more xp i plan on entriely clearing out the temple, but is too bad b/c i pretty much killed everythign already. if i summon one of the demons w/ the evil skull, can i kill it for XP, b/c that big toad looking thing gave me like 6500 at lvl 9.

Keill Randor · Post by **Keill Randor** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:39 pm

I don't know about summoning and killing, but I can tell you how I resolved the lack of XP in the wild. I just went into the temple, down around level 4 and used that as my "Holiday Inn." I just found a room that I liked the look of (I like the one just Southeast of where you rescue Paida) and started resting there. PLENTY of random encounters pop up, so you can still get a lot of XP, as well as plenty of gold. Lots of Ettins, trolls, hill giants, and other higher level creatures come in to say "Hello!" while you are sleeping.

Hopefully that will help you get the XP you are looking for; I know it helped me!

kellinjar · Post by **kellinjar** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:13 pm

Except to remove the level cap would be an exhaustive amount of work. Once they removed it, everyone would want all the higher level feats, then they'd want the epic feats, and then they'd want spells..but not just some spells, they'd want them all. It would probably double or triple their workload to add all that unimportant stuff in. And it is unimportant, the game is designed to be beaten at that level. Removing the level cap would actually be pointless becuase once you gained a handful more levels you could go no higher because nothing would give you XP.
(even with random encounters via camping, I doubt you could really get above level 12 or 13 before the xp would become completely non existent)
At which point everyone would cry because there is nothing for them to get XP off of...
leave them some room for an expansion pack..
This isn't diablo, its not about mindless leveling

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:42 pm

i agree but i prefer to solo my games and have one powerful char instead of a bunch of low level pansys

this game forces you to have to have multiple people which in a way cud be a good thing i guess

kellinjar · Post by **kellinjar** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:04 pm

Then I highly suggest you find another game. Unless the game is designed specifically for single character play, its highly unlikely that it would ever be balanced for such play if you wanted to do it like that.
Encounters are normally set up for a wide variety of abilities, and its expected that you'll have access to various methods of doing things.

To even attempt something like that in this game, you'd have to do random encounters and save before each one to even hope of getting anywhere.
I would be surprised if you'd even make it past level 3 or 4 without some extreme luck and lots of reloads.

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:23 pm

well with a monk you got diplomacy and sense motive and in hommlet alone u can get to level six before you even go to the moat house with only one char

kellinjar · Post by **kellinjar** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:31 pm

Well thats fine, but what if you want to play as a fighter? or a wizard?
you might be able to find a single combination of PC, skills, feats, gameplay, etc in order to do it..but its not a generally open gameplay method.
Even a monk is going to end up being surrounded by bugbears in the moathouse, thats not going to go well

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:34 pm

Well thats fine, but what if you want to play as a fighter? or a wizard?
you might be able to find a single combination of PC, skills, feats, gameplay, etc in order to do it..but its not a generally open gameplay method.
Even a monk is going to end up being surrounded by bugbears in the moathouse, thats not going to go well

see i dont want to be a fighter or a mage

and being surounded by bugbears is what great cleave is for...and if i decide to have a monk fighter, the infamous whirlwind attack!

kellinjar · Post by **kellinjar** » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:54 pm

but you'll run into a problem later on when you can't craft anything for your monk (no wizard powers)
And great cleave only works if you happen to be dropping tons of bug bears...
if you get surrounded chances are they're at least going to get 1 attack each, possibly more, you could easily face 16 attacks before you drop them all (or a majority of them) and teh way ToEE numbers generate, you could be in a world of hurt

cagutsomen · Post by **cagutsomen** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:15 pm

well... i am not suggesting you remove the level cap, i just wish they hadn't had it in the first place and had put all the high level stuff in the first time. and raumoheru, you would abosuletly love neverwinter nights.

kellinjar · Post by **kellinjar** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 2:18 pm

Whether they removed it now or then it doesn't matter. It would be a ton of unnecessary work to do so.

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:02 pm

hmmm i got it and played it a few times but got bored cuz after i left the first area i didnt know where to go and got lost

Greywulf · Post by **Greywulf** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:10 pm

I agree with cagutsomen, Raumoheru (you guys have some crazy names, yo) - you would love NWN - and with the expansions and epic level rules - it is a lot of fun - and if you got jammed up with what to do, fear not - there's walkthroughs and hints galore for all the expansions at this point.

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 3:22 pm

Raumoheru (you guys have some crazy names, yo)

haha my name is in elvish
it translates into stormlord
i love storms

yea but i got my monk at 10 already in nulb and now there is no point in going furhtur solo

so i added a nice sorceress and i went to imrydes run with the big frog and slept a lot till i got attacked. and only a half hour later i got her at level 6 with purple elven chainmail