What happened?

Mr_Shea · Post by **Mr_Shea** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:41 am

started a char in SoA alignment of Chaotic Good and took him all the way into ToB still at the start of it but I noticed that my alignment has changed to Lawful Evil. Just wondering what might have caused this.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 4:08 am

You took an evil path in the trials of hell!

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:40 am

As Stilgar said. For most of BG2, alignment plays no part at all. Then you come to the hell trials, and suddenly a single obscure choice can make anybody "evil." It's silly, but KotoR's allocation of LSPs and DSPs is even sillier.

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 9:48 am

My 2 gp on this one...

The bit that bugs me, is that good characters will turn evil (and fall, if applicable) if taking the evil choices, but no contrary effect occurs to Evil characters making the good choices.

Grrr...

itchytf · Post by **itchytf** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:26 pm

Re: My 2 gp on this one...

Originally posted by nephtu
The bit that bugs me, is that good characters will turn evil (and fall, if applicable) if taking the evil choices, but no contrary effect occurs to Evil characters making the good choices.

Grrr...

"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny"

Uhh...yeah...

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:28 pm

Originally posted by fable
.......... It's silly, but KotoR's allocation of LSPs and DSPs is even sillier.

Just wondering,
what do you eman by that?

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:17 pm

Originally posted by Stilgar
Just wondering,
what do you eman by that?

There was one lengthy thread in the KotoR forum where we ended up detailing many of the plot points where Bioware's allocated LSP/DSP awards (or lack of same) ranged from tenuous in their logic to downright weird. Just one example: if you duel Bendak Starkiller, a dueller who craves duels-to-the-kill, you get DSPs, but if you loot families in their apartments on Taris (they plead with you for mercy), you don't.

The bit that bugs me, is that good characters will turn evil (and fall, if applicable) if taking the evil choices, but no contrary effect occurs to Evil characters making the good choices.

I vaguely recall some quote from Shaw's play, The Devil's Disciple, to the effect of "That's the sweet thing about good. The higher you go, the easier it is to fall."

I suspect (just my opinion--nothing to back this up) that the Bioware devs decided to factor in alignment very late in development. Otherwise, they could have used some numerical system, like Planescape: Torment, to measure your good/evil and chaotic/order-prone responses to events throughout the game.

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Mon Mar 01, 2004 2:43 am

Originally posted by fable

I vaguely recall some quote from Shaw's play, The Devil's Disciple, to the effect of "That's the sweet thing about good. The higher you go, the easier it is to fall."

I suspect (just my opinion--nothing to back this up) that the Bioware devs decided to factor in alignment very late in development. Otherwise, they could have used some numerical system, like Planescape: Torment, to measure your good/evil and chaotic/order-prone responses to events throughout the game.

This is exactly what the Revised Hell Trials Mod does

and yes, falling to evil should still be easier than ascending to good, with that mod (if I'm not mistaken).
It also adds a "neutral" path for each test.
The Virtue Mod should also support Revised Hell Trials, so I suggest to grab them both

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:02 pm

Well darn! It happened me to!!! But how am I going to say it?

"Well Aerie, my love. I'm sorry, but I'm evil now so I have to leave you for Viconia. Please don't kick me in the but Minsc. It wasn't my fault. But anyway... SO LONG SUCKERS!"

That's just downright bad... But wt, I don't care. It doesn't matter, I can still be good altough I am evil, right?

Coot · Post by **Coot** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:35 am

Originally posted by Squee
But wt, I don't care. It doesn't matter, I can still be good altough I am evil, right?

Yeah. The alignment system in BG is not very good. I usually just choose one alignment and then forget all about it.

I know I've said this before, but the alignment system in Planescape: Torment makes much more sense. And what would make even more sense, IMHO, would be to take the whole system out. I haven't missed it for one second in Morrowind, for example.

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:05 am

well, just load the SoA final save. the final save is before you start the trials... thats what I did. So now I'm chaotic good again...

Coot · Post by **Coot** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:07 am

Yes, why not? The trials aren''t very hard anyway.