Kotor2

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:57 pm

Looks like there may actually be a KOTOR2. Don't know if BioWare is involved at all but someone's gonna do it.

http://www.1up.com/article2/0,2053,1551695,00.asp

Tarkus

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:57 pm

Eh. Old news.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:17 pm

I doubt Bioware would've given up the license to the game to Obsidian. I wouldn't put much stock in this right now.

Armisael · Post by **Armisael** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:29 am

Well, Obsidian is headed up by the guys that helped them with the original Baldur's Gate, and I seem to remember someone on staff talking about handing developing rights for the sequel over to a third party, but that was in December or something.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 12:47 am

Originally posted by Armisael
Well, Obsidian is headed up by the guys that helped them with the original Baldur's Gate, and I seem to remember someone on staff talking about handing developing rights for the sequel over to a third party, but that was in December or something.

Well, all I know is that when you hand developing rights over to another company, you're often not left with quality merchandise (Shadows of Undrentide, for instance). Besides, I don't see why Bioware would give up a sure cash crop, even with Jade Empire in development.

Big Brother · Post by **Big Brother** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:30 am

Originally posted by Aegis
Well, all I know is that when you hand developing rights over to another company, you're often not left with quality merchandise (Shadows of Undrentide, for instance). Besides, I don't see why Bioware would give up a sure cash crop, even with Jade Empire in development.

You answered your own question. It's because they have Jade Empire in development and want to focus soley on it.

floppythegod · Post by **floppythegod** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:30 am

If you're readin' bioware forums Stanley Woo says: We have no plans to develop a sequel or a prequel to kotOR at this time. And of course he allso said: When we complete Jade Empire we will maybe begin working kotOR 2. And Allso I don't think Bioware could give the dev to another company, 'cos bioware is only the developer but not the lisencor. The lisencor is Lucas arts, and they're certanley not in partenship with obsidian. Some new rumors have pop up that Bioware will make KotOR 2, and Obsidian will be helip' them.

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:10 pm

Well, this may be old new but it's also coming out in Computer Gaming World, which links to the other article.

http://www.computergaming.com/

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:16 pm

Originally posted by Big Brother
You answered your own question. It's because they have Jade Empire in development and want to focus soley on it.

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that a sure fired cash crop such as KotOR 2 would be, Bioware would not hand over to another developer. Not only that, but Lucasarts wouldn't put the sequel to the game in the hands of a less tested and true developer, they'd most likely stick with Bioware, who's gut their teeth in the RPG market, and have proven themselves the best when it comes to the genre.

Also, I wasn't really asking a question

It was rhetorical. Jade Empire is their focus right now, but that is nearing completion (they better Port it the PC...), so I wouldn't be surprised if there is KotOR 2 on some drawing board, somewhere, but it wouldn't be anything set in stone.

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:30 pm

Originally posted by Aegis
Yeah, but what I'm saying is that a sure fired cash crop such as KotOR 2 would be, Bioware would not hand over to another developer. Not only that, but Lucasarts wouldn't put the sequel to the game in the hands of a less tested and true developer, they'd most likely stick with Bioware, who's gut their teeth in the RPG market, and have proven themselves the best when it comes to the genre.

Also, I wasn't really asking a question It was rhetorical. Jade Empire is their focus right now, but that is nearing completion (they better Port it the PC...), so I wouldn't be surprised if there is KotOR 2 on some drawing board, somewhere, but it wouldn't be anything set in stone.

I doubt BioWare would have any say whatsoever on whether they develop KOTOR2, not unless it's in their contract. Lucas Arts would have the say on that. Plus Obsidian are the guys from Black Isle who worked on the development of Baldur's Gate. This game is going to be made by Obsidian, and BioWare, for better or for worse, will have nothing to do with it.

Tarkus

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:07 pm

Originally posted by Tarkus
I doubt BioWare would have any say whatsoever on whether they develop KOTOR2, not unless it's in their contract. Lucas Arts would have the say on that. Plus Obsidian are the guys from Black Isle who worked on the development of Baldur's Gate. This game is going to be made by Obsidian, and BioWare, for better or for worse, will have nothing to do with it.

Are you speaking from certain knowledge? Because of that isn't the case, then I suggest with respect that the final word belongs to Lucasarts, and not you or anybody else, here.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:08 pm

Originally posted by Tarkus
I doubt BioWare would have any say whatsoever on whether they develop KOTOR2, not unless it's in their contract. Lucas Arts would have the say on that. Plus Obsidian are the guys from Black Isle who worked on the development of Baldur's Gate. This game is going to be made by Obsidian, and BioWare, for better or for worse, will have nothing to do with it.

Tarkus

Perhaps that's true, but it's a poor choice, both financially, and reputationally. If it happens, not only will there be less kick back to Lucasarts, but it'd cause a tide of angry fan boys who would have Bioware make the sequel.

And just so you know, Lucas Arts would control who the license goes to, but Bioware owns the Engine

Obsidian would have to create a brand new engine from scratch, which is a daunting task to say the least, especially for a developer which has never designed their own engine.

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:25 pm

Originally posted by Aegis
Perhaps that's true, but it's a poor choice, both financially, and reputationally. If it happens, not only will there be less kick back to Lucasarts, but it'd cause a tide of angry fan boys who would have Bioware make the sequel.

And just so you know, Lucas Arts would control who the license goes to, but Bioware owns the Engine Obsidian would have to create a brand new engine from scratch, which is a daunting task to say the least, especially for a developer which has never designed their own engine.

I'm sure they offered it to BioWare and BioWare said they were too busy. I don't know how much of the original Baldur's Gate was done by Black Isle and how much by BioWare.

Tarkus

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:43 pm

Originally posted by Tarkus
I'm sure they offered it to BioWare and BioWare said they were too busy. I don't know how much of the original Baldur's Gate was done by Black Isle and how much by BioWare.

Tarkus

But the point is that Black Isle and Bioware worked on the original Baldur's Gate together, designed the engine together. Bioware has then gone onto create more engines, while Obsidian has not, and while Black Isle only continued to use the Infinity Engine.

EDIT

I just looked it up. Bioware made the Infinity engine, as they own the rights to it. So, Black Isle and Obsidian (which I can find no trace of on any of the Baldur's Gate, or Ps:T games) did not have any hand in creating said engine.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:52 pm

Originally posted by Tarkus
I'm sure they offered it to BioWare and BioWare said they were too busy.

@Tarkus, if you're going to keep on stating rumors or opinions as if they were facts about KOTOR2, I'm going to start removing your posts. Fair warning. That goes for anybody. There's potential libel situations involved in writing stuff about these companies that is simply speculation, as if it were proven and established. You want to take the risk, do it in your own private forums.

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 11:54 pm

Originally posted by Aegis
I just looked it up. Bioware made the Infinity engine, as they own the rights to it. So, Black Isle and Obsidian (which I can find no trace of on any of the Baldur's Gate, or Ps:T games) did not have any hand in creating said engine.

You won't find Obsidian on Baldur's Gate since that company is apparently made up of folks that used to be part of Black Isle.

Tarkus

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:37 am

Originally posted by Tarkus
You won't find Obsidian on Baldur's Gate since that company is apparently made up of folks that used to be part of Black Isle.

Tarkus

Then it is incorrect to say Obsidian was apart of the creation of Baldur's Gate, plain and simply. Doesn't matter if people from Black Isle are with Obsidian (and from what I understand, only a couple), they were Black Isle at the time, and a single staff at Black Isle, not an amalgamation of Black Isle/Obsidian.

Tarkus · Post by **Tarkus** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:47 am

Originally posted by Aegis
Then it is incorrect to say Obsidian was apart of the creation of Baldur's Gate, plain and simply. Doesn't matter if people from Black Isle are with Obsidian (and from what I understand, only a couple), they were Black Isle at the time, and a single staff at Black Isle, not an amalgamation of Black Isle/Obsidian.

Black Isle was part of Baldur's Gate and these guys were part of Black Isle. I don't think you know any more than I do exactly what roll they played, but I don't think you can say for certain my statement was incorrect. Besides it's sort of irrelevant at this time. Guys from BioWare have stated there are no current plans for KOTOR2 and this comes out saying Obsidian will be working on it. So, like most sequels to great games it probably won't be as good but we'll just have to wait and see.

Tarkus

P.S.

Who is Obsidian Entertainment?

Obsidian Entertainment was formed by five game development veterans who’ve produced, programmed, and/or designed a number of award-winning role playing games for the PC, Xbox and PlayStation®2 systems. The five founders are: Feargus Urquhart, Chris Parker, Darren Monahan, Chris Avellone and Chris Jones.

Now on to the Black Isle Studios Credits from Baldur's Gate II, Shadows of Amn

Division Director - Feargus Urquhart
Senior Producer - Chris Parker

So granted a lot of the work was done by BioWare but these guys were the Director and Producer for the project.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:08 am

First, Feargus Urquhart was not involved as "Director" of BG2, nor was Chris Parker the "Senior Producer." Feargus was the Division Director of BIS, and Chris Parker was the subsidiary's Senior Producer. That's where the titles come from--their association with BIS. BIS got a credit in BG2 as the "representative" company for Interplay, which commissioned the title from Bioware: this accounts for the credit, not merely to Feargus and Chris, but to a host of people who never took part in BG2's development. BG2's top team comprised Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk, who were Executive Producers. BIS was not involved in the product. All this can be checked by reading interviews that were current at the time of BG2's development. I may still have copies of a pair of interviews I conducted with Ray, myself, for a magazine.

There is also no indication at this time who is working on the sequel. Could be Obsidian, could be Bioware. Could be somebody else. We'll have to wait and see.

Third, this topic has gone on long enough with factual misstatements that could bring Lucasarts' people down on us. I'm closing it now. If anybody has factually supported information from the top (ie, the people in charge of the product) about who is developing or going to develop KotoR2, and can say so without breaking any Non-Disclosure Agreements, feel free to start a new thread and state *all* of your sources. But if all anybody really wants to play is a "yes it is/no it's not" game, I suggest doing so in private messages, where at least GameBanshee cannot be held responsible for blatant errors fo fact.