Tanner's Armor and the death of Adalon

JJComo · Post by **JJComo** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:44 pm

I'm trying to aquire this Armor. I've played through before, but this time I need silver dragon blood in order to finish the armor. Unfortunately there is only one silver dragon in the game and that of course is Adalon. I'm not sure she would give me a decent amount willingly. My party is evil and just killing her would be extremely difficult and fun. What do you think? Can a Mage named Haplo, with his sidekicks Korgan Bloodaxe, Minsc and let's not forget Boo, the always entertaining Jan Jansen, the sexy and dark Viconia, and Haer'dalis the best pick pocket in the game. I swear he rarely gets caught. Anyone out there have any thoughts on strategies of attack, spells that are useful, and best of all has she any weaknesses?

JJComo

Demonspoon · Post by **Demonspoon** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:27 pm

I normally use abi dalzim's horrid wilting, dragons hate that, although sometimes they resist it. Just run up and attack him with korgan and Minsc, casting all the offencive spells you can. Not forgetting, of course, to cast protections on your party, remove fear is important. It might take a few tries but she'll die eventually. Good luck.

Zelgadis · Post by **Zelgadis** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:28 pm

Lower resistance and magic missle always worked for me

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:22 am

I can mistake, but I remember that killing Adalon (like Dridtz) can cause some bad reaction on good aligned NPC, in that case Minsc could leave the party.
Check that.

Adahn · Post by **Adahn** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:03 am

What they said man, Lower Resistance, a greater malison might help. And then then abi dalzim's horrid wilting... maybe if you have time finger of death, or hold since Malison might let you get away with it.

Adahn · Post by **Adahn** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 5:04 am

btw, if your party's supposed to be evil... why do you have Minsc? That goody-two-shoes will leave if your reputation drops to 0 methinks.

ElesarTheStrong · Post by **ElesarTheStrong** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:11 pm

Get Jan to Hide in Shadows and Minsc and Korgan up front. get Viconia to cast Defensive hrmony and your mage Magic Missle and Summon Monster on Adalon. Jan backstabs for loads of Damage and Haer'Daelis does his special attack. The rest, is history.

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:15 pm

Ehh.. a small flaw in your strategy:
Dragons are immune to backstab

ElesarTheStrong · Post by **ElesarTheStrong** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:23 pm

Are they. Then why did Jan inflict 46 damge on Adalon in my game?

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:09 pm

I don't know, but dragons are immune to backstab, I'm sure of that..

Promil · Post by **Promil** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:23 pm

heh, that is not true
dragons aren't immune to backstab in BG2
only in NWN
syou can go sneak attack on dragons,but in true its difficult to hide from the allseing eyes of dragon

my kensai lvl 14/thief lvl14 did once 130 dmg on dragon by backstab,and if you have better thief u can even do more dmg

having fun

Iyke · Post by **Iyke** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:47 pm

Surely most dragons, if not all dragons, are immune to backstab.

Jan: Backstab failed

or is this just ToB? I think they should be immune - tailstab?

Adahn · Post by **Adahn** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:40 pm

Originally posted by Promil
heh, that is not true
dragons aren't immune to backstab in BG2
only in NWN
syou can go sneak attack on dragons,but in true its difficult to hide from the allseing eyes of dragon
my kensai lvl 14/thief lvl14 did once 130 dmg on dragon by backstab,and if you have better thief u can even do more dmg
having fun

I'm sorry but i'm going to have to side with Numinor on this one. He's right, all dragons, The shadow one, Firekragg (or however the hell it's spelled), Adalon and the black one at the end of the game are all immune to backstabb.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:44 pm

Originally posted by ElesarTheStrong
Are they. Then why did Jan inflict 46 damge on Adalon in my game?

Are you playing with any mods that might have added that back in?

Ian Kognitow · Post by **Ian Kognitow** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:02 am

***possible spoiler***

In respect to killing Adalon, I usually find it useful to go along with her plans, right up to having her transport you to the underdark exit. This will let you go through all the quests and their experience rewards. Then, as she is in bipedal form killing the drow guards at the exit, sneak attack her. It will take her a bit of time before she turns on you so you should be able to get a round or two of attacks/spells off without opposition. As others have mentioned before, lower resistances work well, and then just use your spells of choice.
If I remember correctly, killing Adalon is a 5 (possibly 7?) point hit on your reputation. So unless it's already very low you shouldn't have too many party conflicts. Minsc won't leave just for the act of killing Adalon, though probably will if your reputation falls to 0.

ElesarTheStrong · Post by **ElesarTheStrong** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:04 pm

Fable.
I have BG2 with ToB and Darkest Day installed.
Another point. In AD&D 2nd Edition (which I have and the set of rules BG1 & 2 goes by) you are aloowed to Backstab Dragons. In one good game my 20th Level Theif inflicted a nasty hit of 68HP damage on Tiamat, the Chromatic Dragon.

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:40 pm

Ok, here's the proof you can't backstab dragons :

For those of you who don't understand German

, the text says:

Ilmaris- Der hinterhältige Angriff ist offenbar gescheitert
=
Ilmaris- The backstab obviously failed (more or less, I'm not that good at translating

)

Black_Paladin · Post by **Black_Paladin** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:23 pm

Numinor,

I am sure that you are right in what you are saying but just wanted to point out that your screenshot in and of itself doesn't prove that dragons are *immune* to backstab.

It is normal for a thief's backstab to sometimes fail. Heck, Yoshimo managed to go all the way up to level 22 in my game before the asylum (Watcher's Keep is full of *TONS*of experience) but his backstabs still usually failed (when they succeeded they gave a good amount of damage though).

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:29 pm

Yes, backstabs can fail when you miss the target, but then no message appears.
The message "Der hinterhältige Angriff ist offenbar gescheitert" (or whatever that is in English) only appears if the creature is immune to backstabs. At least it is that way in the German version, and I can't imagine it works different in other language versions.