strongest

DarkApos · Post by **DarkApos** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:46 pm

Who would make the strongest character with 8,000,000 EXP? the strongest solo character at full strength.

I personaly like the human kensai dual to theif at lvl 19 have him with two weapon style with what ever weps u want and he (in my veiw) is the best single character.

Your thourghts?

araknid70 · Post by **araknid70** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:50 pm

assuming equipment is allowed as part of the consideration, any mage combi or sorceror will trash other combis... because of the staff of the magi.

DarkApos · Post by **DarkApos** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:52 pm

true but i have never really been a fan of mages, and do you really think that a mage could beat a good fighter? i honestly dont think they could

Mulligan · Post by **Mulligan** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:08 pm

A solo Fighter class, multi or dual, has to wear down the enemies one-at-a-time.

A solo Sorceror, with the right spells, can take on large number of enemies and never be hit or have to heal or even rest (with the wish & spell triggers).

IMO nothing can beat solo Sorceror

DarkApos · Post by **DarkApos** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:10 pm

no way, AC is way too low, he cant hit anythnig either and he has low HPs, you must be joking!

araknid70 · Post by **araknid70** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:44 pm

with a staff of the magi the mage can become invisible at will... there's nothing the fighter can do. If the mage can't use the equipment then it stands also that the other classes can't use equipment for purposes of comparison. however, comparing in this way is meaningless, which is why bg2 is meant to be played as a party.

Mulligan · Post by **Mulligan** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:03 pm

no way, AC is way too low, he cant hit anythnig either and he has low HPs, you must be joking!

With high DEX and the right spells and equipment an elven sorceror can get very low AC.

But the point is, with spells like Stoneskin, it doesn't matter if he get hit a few times, he wont't take any damage!

And with the Spell triggers & Chain Coningency combined with Wish he can wish to be as fully rested as a night's sleep would do and cast all his spell again...and again...and again...indefinetely.

A Spell triger with 3 Abidalzims Horrid Wilting and a new cast as soon as nr.1 goes of is ...150d8 of damage to everyone. Firkraag is dead in 1-2-3 rounds...

A duel with a lvl 30 Sorceror vs a lvl 40 fighter (any type) would go like this:

1st round:
Sorcror is instantly protected by Stoneskin and 2 other juciy spells and goes invisible. Fighter either tries to find him/hit him for 0 dmg or buffs himself with potions/scrolls or such.

2nd round:
Fighter has located the sorceror and hits him for 0 dmg. Sorceror casts Time Stop and start to throw spells. Fighter dies.

If you haven't tried to solo with different classes you should try, it's great fun. But a lot of classes can solo the game, Archer and Assassin is also very strong, as is Fighter dual to Druid (my three favorites other than Sorceror).

however, comparing in this way is meaningless, which is why bg2 is meant to be played as a party.

Dissagree on: Any dicussion beeing meaningless.

Agree on: BGII is meant to be played as a party.

But after several goes with various party builds, soloing is very satisfying IMO. And juicy.....

araknid70 · Post by **araknid70** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:20 am

Originally posted by Mulligan

Dissagree on: Any dicussion beeing meaningless.

Ah yes, my bad, shouldn't have stated it that way... however, my reasoning is that to make a strict comparison of classes the classes should be compared without equipment, because equipment can do anything (good example, Staff of the Magi, which allows for free and unlimited invisibility), which will then affect the performance of each class differently. But w/o equipment means that Monks would win hands down, having magic resistance, low AC and proficiency in unarmed combat, not forgetting the stunning blows and etc. However the point of having special abilities like spellcasting or magic resistance is to offset the inability to use a wide variety of equipment, which is what the standard fighter is able to do. Lastly the classes are meant to be used in combination for best effect. For example, in normal cases a sorceror would easily defeat another class (because of the use of eq like Staff of the Magi). But against invisibility proof creatures like dragons the staff of the magi is useless. In that case a fighter would do better, having better hp, saves and resistances than the sorceror. Every case is different.

Kaitsuburi · Post by **Kaitsuburi** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:04 am

I still think a straight sorceror would be more likely to win over a straight fighter-type. The reason is that it is easier for the sorceror to make herself invulnerable to attacks from the kensai and unleash all kinds of nastiness upon the latter, while the kensai has a relatively harder time protecting herself from sorcerer attacks without a high natural resistance to magic.

Take for example a situation where a solo kensai is faced with a uber-lich. The latter starts with improved mantles, prot from magical weapons, abjuration immunities, etc. so it cannot be touched by the fighter even with uber-weapons. While the kensai is not able to get a single hit through, the uber-lich can power-blind, bigby-crush the kensai then stop time, unleash 10-15 magic missiles, 10 acid- and 10 flame- arrows, a trigger or two of abi-dalzims, greater malison-web-stinking clouds with triple incendiary clouds or whatever on top (not to even mention imprisonment)... all that while being totally protected from kensai damage coming through.

I'm not saying the kensai cannot win, I am just saying she has to wait, dodge nastiness and distract the lich until the protections wear off. That's what happens with all those Weimer-scripted liches: charge right in and you will suffer. Power-blind them, summon fodder, run around for a while while they waste their spells and you will eventually have a chance to smack them. Of course, once she lands a shot the kensai is so fast&deadly she can probably do enough damage to obliterate the lich even before the contingencies kick in.

Sorcerors are not liches of course and are not invulnerable to spells of lvl 5 and below, but the situation is similar; they just have to be much more careful with invisibilities, immunities and protections.

All that having been said, things tend to change tremendously with different sets of uber-items. That's one of the beauties of BGII, after all. So, I agree it is kind of pointless to compare relative strength given all those extra factors. However, I think we can stipulate to a certain degree about a relative strength in a gladiator situation, e.g. one-on-one, generic equipment, limited battlefield space, limited prep time, etc. I think you will agree that despite innate resistances, a high-level kensai will be defeated by a similarly high-level sorceror in such a "gladiator" situation.

-kaitsuburi