Attack/Casting glitch?

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:27 am

i have posted a message about this once but as far as i can tell i have gotten no solid and good answers that i could comprehend.
i was using SK at the time, and i was often creatign barbarians, then it occured to me, y have a strong person, when i can have a strong person who can cast spells! so i changed to a spellcaster. i did everything the same with my SK (or so i think...) then, i was in Irenic's dungeon and i attempted to attack a creature, i missed repeatedly (4-10 times) until finnally my character hit the beast, dealing little to no damage! i changed save games, turned of SK, made new character ect the works. nuthing worked. i could barely ever hit my target. (the same goes for my party members) so i journeyed thru the game with only my spellcasters magic to defend myself. i was in the docks assasinating the cowled wizard operative, when io left his home, i could strike down my enemies once again! but i could no longer cast spells! it is a very strange phenomenon. if ne1 has ne information regarding this incident or whatever plz help me my gamign experiance hasnt been the same since!.

thanks for reding this, Barrin

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Black_Paladin · Post by **Black_Paladin** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:59 pm

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you changed your character to a mage, right? If so, maybe what is happening to dual classed characters is happening to you. For instance, if you take a level 13 Kensai in the game and dual him to a mage, he will hardly be able to hit anything until he is a level 14 mage (one level higher than his previous class). When he becomes a level 14 mage however, he will be able to hit things again as he will gain his Kensai Thac0 and all the other stuff (obviouslt, the natural Thac0 of a mage sucks).

As a result, I am wondering what level you made this guy when you turned him into a mage? Or did you actually change him to a multi-class character? Did you change the Barbarian into a Barbarian/Mage?

It's hard to give answers to this question without knowing how exactly you modified your Barbarian character in ShadowKeeper.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:36 pm

probably corrupted game...

start from scratch...

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:48 pm

.. i cant

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
probably corrupted game...

start from scratch...

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i cant start from scratch.... i told u... when i made a new char on new save file. same thign happend.... so unless u r imoplying i buy the game again... no can do... ty neways

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UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:23 pm

Re: .. i cant

Originally posted by Barrin
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i cant start from scratch.... i told u... when i made a new char on new save file. same thign happend.... so unless u r imoplying i buy the game again... no can do... ty neways

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ok, as far as i can tell, you actually have two problems...

bad thac0, and inability to cast spells..

first, mages and sorcerors all have bad thac0, they suck at melee...use a sling and let your fighters attack the enemy melee, and keep spell casters in the back casting spells...

things that would disable spell casting...armor, tensor's transformation spell, slayer change...take off your armor, and you should be able to cast spells again...

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:43 pm

the noob speaks (im refering to myself)

hmmm so do i want my thaco high or low?... lol... i know that i sasid im a noob, but i didnt say i was a moron and i think i would have noticed if i disabled my spells wid armor.... ty for suggest. all i need is for sum1 to answer my Thaco question and then i will be no longer checkign in on this thread. i repat, once sum1 answers my question about thaco i will no longer respond to emails about messages in this thread. ty

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Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:44 pm

oh yah i forgot

oh yah, i forgot to ask... wut the HECK are the Jansens???.............

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:28 pm

Re: the noob speaks (im refering to myself)

Originally posted by Barrin
hmmm so do i want my thaco high or low?... lol... i know that i sasid im a noob, but i didnt say i was a moron and i think i would have noticed if i disabled my spells wid armor.... ty for suggest. all i need is for sum1 to answer my Thaco question and then i will be no longer checkign in on this thread. i repat, once sum1 answers my question about thaco i will no longer respond to emails about messages in this thread. ty

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the lower the thac0, the more you hit people...

the lower the ac, the less people hit you...

the lowest thac0 i've been able to get with a 40th level kensai is around -17 thac0, which means i can hit anything...

the lowest ac is around -15, which means nothing in soa could hit me...however, since once you get to Tob, most enemies have -10 thac0, they can always hit me...

which is why in Tob, you want resistance to slashing, piercing and blunt attacks...like provided by hardiness ability and defender of easthaven (item)

if you didn't disable your spells via armor...

ok, open up your spell book, you will see icons on the right side, these are the spells you know, and boxes on the left...left click on a spell to put it into the boxes on the right, it will appear as a faded icon, then after resting, it will no longer be faded, and you can cast the spell...which will then fade out until you rest again...

have you been resting???

jansens...go to the gov district, and look for a little guy selling flasher bruiser mates...

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Words and music by Freddie Mercury, adapted by Userunfriendly

Is this the real life-
Is this just an RPG-
Caught in Athkatla-
My escape from reality-
Turn on your monitor
Look at your screen and see-
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seriously, jan is one of the funniest, and most annoying npcs you can get in the game, as well as the best thief...and one of the most popular characters ever created by bioware, and often the most annoying...i like him, and i've written quite a few fanfiction stories and songs about him...

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:47 pm

lol nice, hey u mind if i use dat sumtime? if asked bout it i give u credit.... oh yah and ty for explanatin i gotta go make new thread asking if there is a SK or whatev for ToB if u got answers post on new thread named ToB SK?.

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araknid70 · Post by **araknid70** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:06 am

40th level kensai with -17 thac0? isn't that rather poor for a kensai? +5 weapon in main hand + +7 bonus from Crom Faeyr +13 from kensai = -25 thac0 at least, not counting other stuff that add to thac0 like weapon prof. in fact a +5 weapon (one-handed) for a level 40 kensai should already be better than -17.

Barrin - you could try reinstalling your game, if the problem persists. However your description is a little vague, so it may not be a problem at all... maybe you could be a little clearer?

Barrin · Post by **Barrin** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:33 pm

Mission Complete

okay i revised thaco to -100

D ) and problem all gone, thx for ur help. im not going to b relpying to this thread no more.

-Barrin

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Ekental · Post by **Ekental** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:33 am

LOL even so I just want to say that THACO is pretty pointless below -20, in fact, it caps at -20
also betting that the problem was duel classing as mentioned above

Black_Paladin · Post by **Black_Paladin** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:28 am

Originally posted by Ekental
LOL even so I just want to say that THACO is pretty pointless below -20, in fact, it caps at -20
also betting that the problem was duel classing as mentioned above

Hmm, strange that my Thac0 at level 38 with my Kensai was below -20. It was about -28 or so I think. Are you sure that the game caps it at -20? I don't think that I had a mod or anything like that which modified Thac0.

nephtu · Post by **nephtu** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:05 am

More THAC) goodness...

I think that you can get the game to display any THAC0, but the effective THAC0 limit is still -20 by the way the game engine resolves things.

Kaitsuburi · Post by **Kaitsuburi** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:28 am

Re: Re: the noob speaks (im refering to myself)

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly

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Vegetarian Rhapsody
Words and music by Freddie Mercury, adapted by Userunfriendly
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I am rolling on the floor laughing my guts off ~~ this is really classic! What a great tribute to Mr. Jansen!

Speaking of Jan obsession, has anyone else walked into a Scandinavian restaurant and ordered the dish containing turnip just because it reminds them of Jan

Sorry, I am off topic. Thaco of -15 is already insane. -20 is even more iinsane, but definitely needed in some situations later in ToB.

-kaitsuburi

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:35 pm

Re: Re: Re: the noob speaks (im refering to myself)

Originally posted by Kaitsuburi
I am rolling on the floor laughing my guts off ~~ this is really classic! What a great tribute to Mr. Jansen!

Speaking of Jan obsession, has anyone else walked into a Scandinavian restaurant and ordered the dish containing turnip just because it reminds them of Jan

Sorry, I am off topic. Thaco of -15 is already insane. -20 is even more iinsane, but definitely needed in some situations later in ToB.

-kaitsuburi

thanks!!! this was the best jan song i've written, out of the dozen or so i've written...

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