thoughts on paladin kits

Lucian_Garland · Post by **Lucian_Garland** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:44 am

in my eyes the cavalier clearly comes out on top. he is imune to poison and fear and have some resistances and bonuses to demons and dragons

and is unable to use ranged weapons, wich isnt a big deal, he is a front figther.

then theres the inquisitor...his dispell abilties is easilly emulated with carsomyr, and the fact that with carsomyr you dont risk dispelling your friend's spells..just whack enemies....forget about his hold imunity, use ring of free action..it also protects against slow and stun

undead hunter, you may prefer him for his level drain imunity..but in tob the amulet of power will be fixed so all spellcasters can use it..meaning that a cavalier could have level drain protection and fear..and so on..and hold protection is also emulated with ring of free action.

if you want the ultimate imunity man, in tob, have a cavalier with shield of harmony, crom fayer, amulet of power, and the cloak of reflection

koz-ivan · Post by **koz-ivan** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 8:55 am

personally, in soa, i prefer the undead hunter (given the large number of undead to fight)

the other two items that protect from level drain can go to other char's.

what will tob bring? the other kits may prove more useful.

but in all it's a question of personal taste.

and what do you do when your cav gets mazed / imprisoned? no offense but it kinda looks like you have all your eggs in one basket.

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Lucian_Garland · Post by **Lucian_Garland** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:01 am

i know from buck satan that TOB is heavilly stuffed with high level mages AND vampires.

but i may consider getting an undead hunter once ive sampled tob's inventory. Id there is any amulets that can top the amulet of power. and if not, no reason to make an undead hunter since you can emulate his best ability

barbarians and monks will loose the ability to wear it, as only spellcasters is meant to use them. given the vocalize and casting speed bonus

koz-ivan · Post by **koz-ivan** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:20 am

personally, i've always given the amulet to my best cleric, since a) they can cast restoration later & b) the vocalize & casting speed boost.

why waste it on a mele char?

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:22 am

My favorite Paladin kit would have to be a Undead Hunter.BUt the other day i was thinking and the Undead Hunter to me should be its own class. Because Hunting the Undead seems darker than the average paladin to me.IF it were a real world situation i would become a Undead Hunter for personal reason not because i need to rid the world of evil.I would think you would Hunt the Undead becuase your family or love was slaughtered by some evil vampire or something like that.But that is my thoughts.

Nippy · Post by **Nippy** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 9:47 am

I agree with the Cavalier because when you fight mages if you can get up close to the mages then you can tackle them and defeat them. After all your high level too!

Spliff · Post by **Spliff** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 10:37 am

They are all good classes. However, I tend to favor inquisitors. Their dispel magic is almost instant and is cast at twice the paladin's level. True sight is pretty useful too.

Lucian_Garland · Post by **Lucian_Garland** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:15 am

ill rather take carsomyr's dispell on hit ability...with an inquisitor you risk dispelling your own protective enchancements...and once the enemy is spotted, there rarely is time to recasting them all.

and true sigth can easilly be emulated with the book of inifinite spells set to that one

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:16 am

A ranger who has demons or dragons and has cloak of fear and necklace of poison proff(thingy-wossname-dude-whatever i say that in RL some times LOL) you also get another kit and 2* in 2 weaps also preist of helm has the true seeing

Spliff · Post by **Spliff** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:22 am

Will carsomyr cancel stoneskin even though you're not doing any damage?

leeho730 · Post by **leeho730** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 12:29 pm

Inquisitor is very cool since when they reach lv34(max) in ToB, dispel magic will act as lv68 dispel magic (means 99% success even in ToB). This will remove hold person, chaos, greater malison, etc from my party and any useful enchantment from enemies. Also it saves a lot of lv3 spell slot for my mage (Imoen) 'cause she doesn't need to memorize dispel/remove magic any more. Also during combat my mage was too busy to cast dispel magic everytime my party members got hold of fear anyway. And paladin's spell is not that good (pure cleric is a way better). Inquisitor in the party will free up lv3 and lv6 (true sight) slots for mage.

Disco Stew · Post by **Disco Stew** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 12:39 pm

Cavalier is **** IMHO. Only people who cant decide between the REAL paladin kits use cavalier because their so mundane. Fear and poison are NOTHING to hold and level drain.

IMO use Inquisitor if you want a more combat oriented paladin because he cant cast spells(the inquisitor is a better wizard slayer than the actual kit)

Use an Undead hunter if you hate vampires and you want someone who can cast spells.

P.S. Does anybody know if the double level of the inquisitor's dispel magic ability works when hitting with carsomyr?

Lucian_Garland · Post by **Lucian_Garland** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:38 pm

bioware has made the class tables so ALL classes will hit level 40 at 8000000xp...the class to level up the quickest is the thief, but they jump from 39 to 40 will take quite a leap.....everyone, and i repeate everyone will reach 40 in their chosen class

Lucian_Garland · Post by **Lucian_Garland** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 1:41 pm

i dont care for the undead hunter's hold protection..it doesnt works against stun or slow...so always keep a ring of free action equipped..and as i said earlier, bioware has confirmed its a bug that paladins cant use amulet of power..another undead hunter special ability down the drain
..with those 2 items a cavalier is much better, for more benefits in total

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Disco Stew · Post by **Disco Stew** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:46 pm

i dont care for the undead hunter's hold protection..it doesnt works against stun or slow...so always keep a ring of free action equipped..and as i said earlier, bioware has confirmed its a bug that paladins cant use amulet of power..another undead hunter special ability down the drain
..with those 2 items a cavalier is much better, for more benefits in total

I don't know about you, but I sometimes give items to other party members! Crazy aint I!

There are 3 whole dragons in the game and a couple of demons. Compare that to the legions of undead that you face.

An undead hunter using ring of gaxx instead of that free action cr@p is waaaay better than a some punk who specializes in killing the RAREST mosters in the entire game. Plus you can give the amulet of power to someone who needs it.

I don't care if you worship the cavalier, fust don't insult the other kits.

Nikolai · Post by **Nikolai** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 2:51 pm

UNDEAD HUNTER!!!! WOOHOO. go HIYAH on them friggin vampires

Mr. Sprinkles · Post by **Mr. Sprinkles** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 3:18 pm

If I were to play a Paladin, I'd choose Undead Hunter. There are lots of undead in SOA. Now, don't get me wrong; I like the Inquisitor the best because they're great against mages. I'd choose Undead Hunter because the game already offers you an Inquisitor: Keldorn. Give the Carsomyr to your Undead Hunter and something else to the Inquisitor (I prefer the two-handed weapons, since most +4 and above weapons are two-handed).

GrimReaper · Post by **GrimReaper** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 4:01 pm

I personally played as an Undead Hunter my first time through the game and found it to be a very powerful class. I like havig a few basic spells as backup and I also loved having three people to fight vampires with (PC, Anomen with Mace of Disruption, and Valygar with Amulet of Power after patch from Baldurdash). As for Cavalier, there really is no point to them in BG2, but their abilities may be used more in ToB. Still, if you're fighting a giant dragon or super powerful demon, +3 to hit and damage probably aren't going to help that much. Also, Inquisitor's are great but I prefer to keep their abilities to my mages and keep my paladin on the front lines. That's just me though.

Orland · Post by **Orland** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 11:56 pm

Now, I am of 2 minds on this topics, but they lead to one answer, so bear with me.

First, I have played all the Kits for a paladin, tried them out, and gotten a feel for them.

Out of doing that, I use 2 kits for my PC.

I do not use the Inquistor Kit because, I like having Keldorn in my party and honestly I feel he is what Carsomyr was meant for. It is a great kit though.

And I do not use the Cavalier, as that to me, is more a fighter than a paladin. Why they made it a Pally Kit is beyond me, but some people think killing dragons and fighting Demons is the Work of a Holy Warrior. It's a good kit but like pointed out, not really effective in SoA.

So that Leaves me with my 2 choices. I use the Undead Hunter as find undead to be really annoying. Also the level drain protection is invaluable in the beginning of the game when you don't have a cleric that can restore and the local church sells them for 750-1000gp a pop. Besides, Daystar is more a Holy Avenger than Carsomyr.

And I just play the regular Paladin. Why? Because the paladin is a very powerful class, without the kits. At times I think the Kits are a little overpowering and takes away from the group. So some times the good old fashion paladin is best

So why am I of 2 minds? hard to decide which one to play

Robin_Hood · Post by **Robin_Hood** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 4:01 am

@Orland: Well said.

@Lucian: Please don't start a flame war...those are only your opinions, you don't have to insult other peoples' opinions. Some of your messages were really close to that.

As for my comments...I also prefer giving some of the items to NPCs, too, to make the group more powerful. IMO, Undead Hunter and Inquisitor are the most powerful kits for pal. And I think its *cool* to be an Undead Hunter (though I'd have nothing against being a cavalier)