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[QUOTE=Lady Pirate]"Edwin!! Don't you remember me?"
"The past hardly matters. ..."
It seems to me, that this and several other lines, could if written properly, play out some depth in Edwin's 1-dimensional character. Is it only me, or could this line hint at some regret, some acknowledgement of a kind of friendship between Edwin and the pc?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, that's just Edwin's way of saying, "Don't bore me with your idiotic sentimentality. I have work for you to do (though I doubt a monkey such as you is capable)." He doesn't care about friendship; he only cares about how he can use you to further his schemes.
The thing that interests me is, what if Edwin, in spite of himself, found himself irresistably attracted to a strong, dominant woman who wouldn't put up with his crap--perhaps a charismatic, powerful Bhaalspawn? What if a woman like that turned his whole world upside-down? It would be utterly alien to him, of course, and he wouldn't know what to do with himself. He still might try to push her around, but it might not be so easy for him to brush her off.
Fable and I went back and forth about this before, and I don't mean to argue with his interpretation of Edwin. I think he's essentially right. I just think it would be interesting if your own character could be the one who triggers something in Edwin that he has never felt before. His reaction would still be "want, take, have," but since you're in control (not him), he CAN'T "take" and he can't necessarily "have". That could create all sorts of insecurity, anxiety, and (dare I say it?) heartache. To make it work, we'd have to assume that he became fixated upon your character and couldn't let go. To me, that's not implausible if Edwin is actually human. I guess that's where the difference lies in our interpretations. If you enjoy treating him as a cartoon character (and he certainly is funny if you look at him the way Fable describes him), why change him?
"The past hardly matters. ..."
It seems to me, that this and several other lines, could if written properly, play out some depth in Edwin's 1-dimensional character. Is it only me, or could this line hint at some regret, some acknowledgement of a kind of friendship between Edwin and the pc?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, that's just Edwin's way of saying, "Don't bore me with your idiotic sentimentality. I have work for you to do (though I doubt a monkey such as you is capable)." He doesn't care about friendship; he only cares about how he can use you to further his schemes.
The thing that interests me is, what if Edwin, in spite of himself, found himself irresistably attracted to a strong, dominant woman who wouldn't put up with his crap--perhaps a charismatic, powerful Bhaalspawn? What if a woman like that turned his whole world upside-down? It would be utterly alien to him, of course, and he wouldn't know what to do with himself. He still might try to push her around, but it might not be so easy for him to brush her off.
Fable and I went back and forth about this before, and I don't mean to argue with his interpretation of Edwin. I think he's essentially right. I just think it would be interesting if your own character could be the one who triggers something in Edwin that he has never felt before. His reaction would still be "want, take, have," but since you're in control (not him), he CAN'T "take" and he can't necessarily "have". That could create all sorts of insecurity, anxiety, and (dare I say it?) heartache. To make it work, we'd have to assume that he became fixated upon your character and couldn't let go. To me, that's not implausible if Edwin is actually human. I guess that's where the difference lies in our interpretations. If you enjoy treating him as a cartoon character (and he certainly is funny if you look at him the way Fable describes him), why change him?
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@ Vondondu: I agree, friendship was quite the wrong word. I think Dragon Wench expressed it more accurately-that that comment seems to be somewhat bitter. Of course, Edwin is a generally bitter person, but that bitterness could mean that the past, or what has happened since the pc last saw Edwin, is for some reason painful or unpleasant to talk about or remember. While not exactly a romantic overture, if this was to be interpreted this way, it could certainly mark some depth in Edwin.
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[QUOTE=VonDondu]If you enjoy treating him as a cartoon character (and he certainly is funny if you look at him the way Fable describes him), why change him? [/QUOTE]
With respect, I wouldn't call Edwin an exaggerated, or cartoon character. I've known quite a few people like him over time; and I suspect many of our public officials are very similar, though they "cover" better. Edwin's writers deliberately left him uncovered--including all those wonderfully sarcastic remarks under his breath--so we could get a laugh. But in essence, Edwin is three-dimensional. He's just not very psychologically pleasant.
That said, I agree with you that it would be interesting to have a mod which shakes up Edwin over time, gradually causing him to grow and develop. It would have to be done very carefully, for it could easily slip over into cliched mawkishness. But if done well, I think Edwin is quite redeemeable.
With respect, I wouldn't call Edwin an exaggerated, or cartoon character. I've known quite a few people like him over time; and I suspect many of our public officials are very similar, though they "cover" better. Edwin's writers deliberately left him uncovered--including all those wonderfully sarcastic remarks under his breath--so we could get a laugh. But in essence, Edwin is three-dimensional. He's just not very psychologically pleasant.
That said, I agree with you that it would be interesting to have a mod which shakes up Edwin over time, gradually causing him to grow and develop. It would have to be done very carefully, for it could easily slip over into cliched mawkishness. But if done well, I think Edwin is quite redeemeable.
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@ Thrain: I know Drizzt does, but I wonder if the other characters have different reactions if you killed them in BGI.
@ Raumoheru: lol. Just like a donut.
@ Fable: I agree, although it could ruin Edwin's character if not properly done, I would still be very curious to see a mod that attempted it.
As a side note: it appears that Jan is winning the poll, just one vote ahead of Edwin. Someone voted for Yoshimo: you know, that could be interesting, since future developments would "complicate" it. The only characters not voted for by anyone are Cernd, Keldorn, and Minsc.
@ Raumoheru: lol. Just like a donut.
@ Fable: I agree, although it could ruin Edwin's character if not properly done, I would still be very curious to see a mod that attempted it.
As a side note: it appears that Jan is winning the poll, just one vote ahead of Edwin. Someone voted for Yoshimo: you know, that could be interesting, since future developments would "complicate" it. The only characters not voted for by anyone are Cernd, Keldorn, and Minsc.
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Probably because, Minsc is psycho (thinks his hamster is from space), Keldorn is a freak, and Cernd is a tree hugger...
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EDIT: Keldorn a VERY powerful freak weilding Carsomyr +5!
Buncha panzies if u ask me
EDIT: Keldorn a VERY powerful freak weilding Carsomyr +5!
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[QUOTE=Raumoheru]but Keldorn is also married and cant cheat on his wife (tho she did on him )[/QUOTE]Not to mention that he is a paladin... I really can't see paladins cheating on their partners somehow...
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FireLighter: That's "Carsomyr +5 Wielding Freak." He does not wield a freak.
Well, thats true (I agree that Keldorn probably wouldn't cheat on his wife), but then, if everyone in the forgotten realms was honorable, Jaheira probably wouldn't have started a romance dialogue with my character ONE day after finding her husband's corpse.
Well, thats true (I agree that Keldorn probably wouldn't cheat on his wife), but then, if everyone in the forgotten realms was honorable, Jaheira probably wouldn't have started a romance dialogue with my character ONE day after finding her husband's corpse.
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[QUOTE=Lady Pirate]Well, thats true (I agree that Keldorn probably wouldn't cheat on his wife), but then, if everyone in the forgotten realms was honorable, Jaheira probably wouldn't have started a romance dialogue with my character ONE day after finding her husband's corpse.[/QUOTE]
I can excuse Jaheira for that, because it isn't really her fault that it happens so quickly. It's due to game mechanics and the limitations in the script. In truth, she's very tentative, she's very conflicted about her feelings, and she doesn't really make a move until she's sure it's okay ("if you won't hesitate, then neither will I"). And by that time, I'm kind of bored by the whole thing, anyway. It never really gets any better than that; she's always noncomittal. So it's not like she's LEAPING into another bed after her husband dies.
As for Keldorn and his wife, Maria wants a divorce. She has sought the companionship of another man (one who doesn't spend all of his nights sleeping in a men's dormitory), but as I understand it, she hasn't slept with the other man, so she hasn't really cheated on him. As a player, you have several options: tell him to kill his wife's new "lover"; tell him to turn them over to the courts; or tell him to go back to her and make up. Why not a fourth option: let him get divorced, and then seduce him. He doesn't have to cheat on his wife.
And besides, he's attractive. (He looks a little like Sean Connery.)
I can excuse Jaheira for that, because it isn't really her fault that it happens so quickly. It's due to game mechanics and the limitations in the script. In truth, she's very tentative, she's very conflicted about her feelings, and she doesn't really make a move until she's sure it's okay ("if you won't hesitate, then neither will I"). And by that time, I'm kind of bored by the whole thing, anyway. It never really gets any better than that; she's always noncomittal. So it's not like she's LEAPING into another bed after her husband dies.
As for Keldorn and his wife, Maria wants a divorce. She has sought the companionship of another man (one who doesn't spend all of his nights sleeping in a men's dormitory), but as I understand it, she hasn't slept with the other man, so she hasn't really cheated on him. As a player, you have several options: tell him to kill his wife's new "lover"; tell him to turn them over to the courts; or tell him to go back to her and make up. Why not a fourth option: let him get divorced, and then seduce him. He doesn't have to cheat on his wife.
And besides, he's attractive. (He looks a little like Sean Connery.)
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If he wears his armor to bed... *Imagines Keldorn rolling over after *Cough* doing it *Cough* and squishes the real frail girl next to him...*
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[QUOTE=dragon wench]I think there is a reason all romances (both ingame and mods) restrict this element to the human and elvish category.... [/QUOTE]
You're probably right, but I don't like that there are romances primarily geared towards these races.
This is a role playing game. There should be romance options for all of the races, IMHO.
You're probably right, but I don't like that there are romances primarily geared towards these races.
This is a role playing game. There should be romance options for all of the races, IMHO.
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