Biggest Backstab

Elenias Nal'nair · Post by **Elenias Nal'nair** » Thu Jan 04, 2001 5:45 pm

..might be that you can only b's with a Katana if you're fighter/thief, dunno. Never tried with plain thieves.

btw. my multi Cleric/Thief backstabs with the Staff Mace...1-handed Quarterstaff, really funny and bludgeoning damage...so you can backstab a Golem e.g.

Doltan · Post by **Doltan** » Fri Jan 05, 2001 2:35 pm

Sorry if this moves the thread in a new direction, but...

My 18th level Barbarian, dual-wielding Crom Faeyr and The Flail of Ages, routinely does 40+ points (and sometimes over 60) per attack, and he gets four attacks per round. I don't know how this breaks down in terms of critical and non-critical, but with the +14 point Str bonus, the weapon bonus, the guantlets of weapon expertise, specialization, etc., he can't go below something like 30. His THACO is also around -9 (is that meaningless or what?). I believe that one time he did around 190 points of damage in one (normal) round. Who needs backstabs?

Elenias Nal'nair · Post by **Elenias Nal'nair** » Fri Jan 05, 2001 6:17 pm

...hehe...but it sure makes difference if you slash out 190 per round or per hit

It's for the mages/mindflayers/vampires/rakasha etc. before their defences come up (mostly instantly...cool to watch a stoneskin or mirror image protect a corpse...).
O.k. o.k. to be honest I use a Berzerk dualed to Thief with stats and equipment like yours and it's awesome...even if the backstab fails to utterly destroy the target it seldomly survives the second 'normal' strike...

Nynaeve · Post by **Nynaeve** » Fri Jan 05, 2001 10:29 pm

Originally posted by Elenias Nal'nair:
..might be that you can only b's with a Katana if you're fighter/thief, dunno. Never tried with plain thieves.

If you're talking only about thieves/thief class combos then I guess this isn't relevant, but my Stalker backstabs all the time with a katana.

new_message · Post by **new_message** » Sat Jan 06, 2001 12:41 am

Originally posted by Heyward DeMonquis:
Alright, for all you thieves out there...

What's the biggest backstab you've ever done...BG1 or 2?

Mine's 101...by my main char...
Coran did 100 with the Titan strength potion in BG1...

hey

My BG2 best backstab was 234!... no kidding!
My theif(assasin)/mage had a girdle of strength, and had the spells black blade of disaster and tenser's transformation on. (Critical Hit Too)
.... result was one splattered little monster!

btw, the thief part of my character was only lvl 10.... (x4 multiplier... think what it could have done if I was a higher lvl assasin!)

The Nutless One · Post by **The Nutless One** » Sat Jan 06, 2001 8:15 am

Did 238 in Irenicus' dungeon last night.

Non-legit I know, but that's still quite a hefty bit. Anyways, that charachter is scrapped now. Gave him 25 str, level 23 assasin with x7 multiplier, and dual wielding Celestial Fury(ie)s.

But anyways, I think I maxed out the possibilities there. If you think about it, no weapon can possibly compare with dual d10's. x7 multiplier is higher than level 13 kensai bonuses, and 25 str is well 25 str. Well I haven't found a way to max out critical hits, Zerthimon's Focus was one of my favorite spells back in the day.

BTW, what's the modifier on a critical hit ?

new_message · Post by **new_message** » Sat Jan 06, 2001 5:07 pm

Originally posted by The Nutless One:
Did 238 in Irenicus' dungeon last night.

Non-legit I know, but that's still quite a hefty bit. Anyways, that charachter is scrapped now. Gave him 25 str, level 23 assasin with x7 multiplier, and dual wielding Celestial Fury(ie)s.

But anyways, I think I maxed out the possibilities there. If you think about it, no weapon can possibly compare with dual d10's. x7 multiplier is higher than level 13 kensai bonuses, and 25 str is well 25 str. Well I haven't found a way to max out critical hits, Zerthimon's Focus was one of my favorite spells back in the day.

BTW, what's the modifier on a critical hit ?

If people want to cheat it, why not give 25 str, black blade of disaster (max 24 damage from the blade itself with one hit), and x7 multiplier, and try for a critical hit.... I bet you could get 300+ damage with one backstab. (cause I got 234 with x4)

Acutally, if anyone tries it... post the top kill.... I'm kinda interested in what you could really get...

Elenias Nal'nair · Post by **Elenias Nal'nair** » Sat Jan 06, 2001 6:18 pm

248
with a legit non-hacked character, actually I play with this lady. Chap.6, near the end of the game in Forest of Tethir.

btw. 300+ is surely possible with a good assassin, either dualed to fighter or using the Black Blade. For myself never thought of that because I dropped my Thief->Mage after BG1. Is it a 'true' weapon you can wield or like the Mordenkain's?

new_message · Post by **new_message** » Sun Jan 07, 2001 3:51 pm

Originally posted by Elenias Nal'nair:
248
with a legit non-hacked character, actually I play with this lady. Chap.6, near the end of the game in Forest of Tethir.

btw. 300+ is surely possible with a good assassin, either dualed to fighter or using the Black Blade. For myself never thought of that because I dropped my Thief->Mage after BG1. Is it a 'true' weapon you can wield or like the Mordenkain's?

btw, mine's legit too.. a thief from BG1 (I'd raise the multiplier and try it but I don't have shadow keeper (or whatever it's called)....

Once Black Blade is cast, it puts it in your weapon slots and stays there until the spell expires... (never used Modenkain's)

Elenias Nal'nair · Post by **Elenias Nal'nair** » Sun Jan 07, 2001 5:12 pm

...could an assassin poison a Black Blade?

new_message · Post by **new_message** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 1:12 am

Originally posted by Elenias Nal'nair:
...could an assassin poison a Black Blade?

I just checked.... YES! It does poison the BB of Disaster...

[This message has been edited by new_message (edited 01-08-2001).]

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 10:37 am

Can you backstab dual-wielding? Or does holding the second weapon prevent it from happening (in which case it begs the question 'are you better of backstabbing with one or getting the first strike with 2?').

Heyward DeMonquis · Post by **Heyward DeMonquis** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 10:54 am

I'm pretty sure I've done backstab damage while dual-wielding, but I'm not sure from which weapon, if not both...
I use dual katanas...
hey

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 10:57 am

Ouch. That's gotta hurt. I thought it'd be worth having single weapon only proficiency to try and get more crits. Why bother??

new_message · Post by **new_message** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 11:37 am

Originally posted by Gruntboy:
Ouch. That's gotta hurt. I thought it'd be worth having single weapon only proficiency to try and get more crits. Why bother??

I think only your first "hit" counts as a backstab so I don't think dual weilding would help with a backstab... (if I recall from my pen and paper days.) I would think bioware would do it like the pen and paper ad&d.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 11:43 am

Cheers "new_message".

Mind you, the dual-wielding hits do seem to be calculated very close together (though one of them is first).

Just browsing are we?

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Elenias Nal'nair · Post by **Elenias Nal'nair** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 12:49 pm

...Experimented a lot with backstabbing in the last hour or two and it seems to be that, like new_message (why new_message???) stated, only the very first hit counts as backstab (like in P&P). But this is rather difficult.
In P&P 2nd edition IIRC, no matter how many attacks you have, the main hand does 1 attack (in initiative), the rest of the fight in this round is handled and afterwards you do ALL your remaining attacks (e.g. while dual-wielding your off-hand).
AFAIK even when your off-hand has a better speed-factor (=initiative) than your main, the main is the first to strike and only to backstab.

example: I'm dual-wielding C'Fury(main) and C'Faeyr(off) with katanas+++++ and warhammers+++++. So both weapons have initiative 1-3=-2 counted as 0. And the katana ALWAYS strikes first (and always stuns...mmmh...odd).

new_message · Post by **new_message** » Mon Jan 08, 2001 10:52 pm

Originally posted by Elenias Nal'nair:
...Experimented a lot with backstabbing in the last hour or two and it seems to be that, like new_message (why new_message???) stated, only the very first hit counts as backstab (like in P&P). But this is rather difficult.
In P&P 2nd edition IIRC, no matter how many attacks you have, the main hand does 1 attack (in initiative), the rest of the fight in this round is handled and afterwards you do ALL your remaining attacks (e.g. while dual-wielding your off-hand).
AFAIK even when your off-hand has a better speed-factor (=initiative) than your main, the main is the first to strike and only to backstab.

example: I'm dual-wielding C'Fury(main) and C'Faeyr(off) with katanas+++++ and warhammers+++++. So both weapons have initiative 1-3=-2 counted as 0. And the katana ALWAYS strikes first (and always stuns...mmmh...odd).

??? Why new_message??? Well, I needed another email address and I got fed up trying to get hotmail / yahoo addresses that were already taken... so I took 5 or 10 minutes and tried to come up with an original hotmail and yahoo account name..... and it's stuck ever since.

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