Hello
I finished the game and going to do it again.
Is there any good scimitars in the game except Drizzt's Defender and Icingdeath?
How about wakazashis?
Scimitars, are they any use?
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Hazim ibn Gorion
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BG2's best scimitars are clearly Drizzt's, and...(SPOILER)
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those are a bitch to get and get taken away by an annoying mage--and there's nothing you can do about it. (Actually, there's a cheat...but that would be cheating.)
That said, I think it's a shame that people assume scimitars are a waste. Belm and Rashad's Talon are both excellent weapons, and there are only a few enemies in the game that can't be hit by +2s.
So what I'm sayin' is, Jahiera dual-weilding Belm and Rashad's Talon makes for a mighty tasty cubed meat salad. Don't dismiss them quickly. (Although, to be honest, I don't think I'd devote proficiencies in scimitar to anyone but a druid.)
[This message has been edited by Hazim ibn Gorion (edited 11-28-2000).]
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those are a bitch to get and get taken away by an annoying mage--and there's nothing you can do about it. (Actually, there's a cheat...but that would be cheating.)
That said, I think it's a shame that people assume scimitars are a waste. Belm and Rashad's Talon are both excellent weapons, and there are only a few enemies in the game that can't be hit by +2s.
So what I'm sayin' is, Jahiera dual-weilding Belm and Rashad's Talon makes for a mighty tasty cubed meat salad. Don't dismiss them quickly. (Although, to be honest, I don't think I'd devote proficiencies in scimitar to anyone but a druid.)
[This message has been edited by Hazim ibn Gorion (edited 11-28-2000).]
as what Hazim said here are the locations of the scimitars and wakizashi
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Belm +2 ( +1 att. per round ) --> Druid Grove, in the bale of hay at the Ogre's tower
Rashad's Talon +2 ----> Trademeet, Dao Djinn camp, once u help them solve the Rakshasa problem
Kachiko's Wakizashi ( not sure +2 or +3 ), Copper Coronet , Joluv ( the one selling Icewind Dale items )
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When hope has no champion, evil conquers all.
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Belm +2 ( +1 att. per round ) --> Druid Grove, in the bale of hay at the Ogre's tower
Rashad's Talon +2 ----> Trademeet, Dao Djinn camp, once u help them solve the Rakshasa problem
Kachiko's Wakizashi ( not sure +2 or +3 ), Copper Coronet , Joluv ( the one selling Icewind Dale items )
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When hope has no champion, evil conquers all.
When hope has no champion, evil conquers all.
but still, in my oppinion..the only weapon classes that are worth spending points on are those who got a good ultimate version
spoiler..weapon discussion..dont read if you want things to be a suprise!!!!!!
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scimitars
lacking
drittzs..but you cant keep them
flails
hmmm..best bet is flail of ages...but not that good stats
spears
impaler..but how many uses spears?
halberds
the WAVE..a super halberd
hammers
crom faeyr!
long swords
black razor
bastard swords
lacking
blade of searing is the best bet..but rather poor
axes
also lacking..no really outstanding axes
azuredge is decent against undead..but nothing more
maces
lacking as well..though your cleric may get a kick with the ilithium covered mace of disruption
short swords
very lacking
only got short sword of backstabbing and cuthroat as anything worth mentioning..and theyre stillpoor
quarterstaves
staff of the magi and the staff of power..and for druids..the staff of the woodlands..quite a good selection.
two handed swords
Carsomyr..the big kahuna! and the only true +5 weapon
and for those poor nonpallys
i would say the silver vorpal sword, or lillacor..or if youre an evil bugger..the soul reaver!
clubs
dont even say it..the most underated of them all..noone worth mentioning in this class...poor poor druids....the root of the problem gained in the druid grove are simply laughable
short bows
the gesen bow as the prime! definitely a must have..then tansheron's bow..also a nice one..both not requiring ammo
long bows
not many of note..but the heartseeker can be pretty vicious in the hands of an archer
crossbows
lacking
the best is crossbow of affliction...but..you get weakened..stick with short bows
darts
seriously lacking
slings
the sling of arvoreen could be nice..but again..how many uses slings?
spoiler..weapon discussion..dont read if you want things to be a suprise!!!!!!
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scimitars
lacking
drittzs..but you cant keep them
flails
hmmm..best bet is flail of ages...but not that good stats
spears
impaler..but how many uses spears?
halberds
the WAVE..a super halberd
hammers
crom faeyr!
long swords
black razor
bastard swords
lacking
blade of searing is the best bet..but rather poor
axes
also lacking..no really outstanding axes
azuredge is decent against undead..but nothing more
maces
lacking as well..though your cleric may get a kick with the ilithium covered mace of disruption
short swords
very lacking
only got short sword of backstabbing and cuthroat as anything worth mentioning..and theyre stillpoor
quarterstaves
staff of the magi and the staff of power..and for druids..the staff of the woodlands..quite a good selection.
two handed swords
Carsomyr..the big kahuna! and the only true +5 weapon
and for those poor nonpallys
i would say the silver vorpal sword, or lillacor..or if youre an evil bugger..the soul reaver!
clubs
dont even say it..the most underated of them all..noone worth mentioning in this class...poor poor druids....the root of the problem gained in the druid grove are simply laughable
short bows
the gesen bow as the prime! definitely a must have..then tansheron's bow..also a nice one..both not requiring ammo
long bows
not many of note..but the heartseeker can be pretty vicious in the hands of an archer
crossbows
lacking
the best is crossbow of affliction...but..you get weakened..stick with short bows
darts
seriously lacking
slings
the sling of arvoreen could be nice..but again..how many uses slings?
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Hazim ibn Gorion
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As soon as I posted not to undervalue scimitars, someone decided to compare them to katanas. But my point (and I did have one) was that Belm and Rashad's Talon are very effective as a dual-wield combination for Jahiera. Druids can't use katanas. Maybe the respondent wasn't talking about what I said, in which case he's absolutely right--katanas are a better choice. But for a druid (esp. a fighter/druid) it's dual scimitars all the way.
Lucian: Woah, let's take a look at the weapon classes again, I think you're missing some very good weapons here. (I guess this is off the original topic. I'll at least try to keep it to the best weapons of each class and how they compare to scimitars and other druid choices.)
Scim/Waki/Ninja-To: Agreed here. The best weapon of this type is the Scarlett Ninja-To which is among the best weapons in the game but with the patch becomes almost useless since it is monk only and monks don't get more than 1 attack with a weapon. Belm is nice, but not great. As you say, you can't keep Drizzt's. For a druid they're pretty good, but I'd still look at Spears and Clubs (see below).
Flails: Flail of the Ages is clearly near the top of the weapon list. It does 1d6+7 for an average of 10.5 per hit compared to Celestial Fury's average of 9.5. 3 of that damage even goes through stoneskin and on top of that it slows the targets. Being a blunt attack allows it to hit those annoying clay golems and effectively gives it bonuses against opponents in chain or plate. Defender of Easthaven is an excellent off-hand counterpart. Contrary to what its description says, it is +3 with 1d6+4 damage but it's the +1 AC and +20% physical resist that really make it good. If you have an AC approaching -10, this makes it better than Drizzt's Defender.
Spears: Maybe not many use them, but some should consider it for Impaler. In average damage per hit, this is the champ at 16.5 (1d6+13). Compare that to Celestial Fury and Flail of the Ages! It is two-handed, though, but even compared to 2-h swords and halberds it does well.
Halberds: Wave is cool, but the best halberd is Dragon's Breath. Average damages: Wave - 11.75, Dragon's Breath - 14.5 (yes it does get +4 to damage even though it doesn't say so in the description)
Hammers: Crom Faeyr of course. Dwarven thrower if you're a dwarf.
Long Swords: Blackrazor is almost useless since you only get to use it for 1-4 fights. Equalizer is pretty good though.
Bastard Swords: Mostly agreed. Jhor does a lot of damage, but only over time.
Axes: No ultimate weapon but an excellent pair with Frostreaver and Stonefire and a Rifthome is a good thrower. Azuredge never seems to do anything for me.
Maces: Agreed. Skullcrusher decent though. Also, Handmaidens Mace is the most damaging weapon in the game, but only over a LONG period of time and with a missed save: 6.5+20= 26.5 dmg/hit!
Short Swords: not a power gamer's weapon. Cutthroat good for backstabbing.
Quarterstaves: excellent ones, but not really an offensive weapon
2-h: Agreed
Clubs: I think underrated is the word to use. Blackblood and Gnasher are both very, very good. Blackblood does 9.5 average damage and Gnasher does 13.5. With Gnasher it does take 4 rounds, but against spell casters that can be a bonus and there is no save.
Missile weapons: completely different discussion.
Scim/Waki/Ninja-To: Agreed here. The best weapon of this type is the Scarlett Ninja-To which is among the best weapons in the game but with the patch becomes almost useless since it is monk only and monks don't get more than 1 attack with a weapon. Belm is nice, but not great. As you say, you can't keep Drizzt's. For a druid they're pretty good, but I'd still look at Spears and Clubs (see below).
Flails: Flail of the Ages is clearly near the top of the weapon list. It does 1d6+7 for an average of 10.5 per hit compared to Celestial Fury's average of 9.5. 3 of that damage even goes through stoneskin and on top of that it slows the targets. Being a blunt attack allows it to hit those annoying clay golems and effectively gives it bonuses against opponents in chain or plate. Defender of Easthaven is an excellent off-hand counterpart. Contrary to what its description says, it is +3 with 1d6+4 damage but it's the +1 AC and +20% physical resist that really make it good. If you have an AC approaching -10, this makes it better than Drizzt's Defender.
Spears: Maybe not many use them, but some should consider it for Impaler. In average damage per hit, this is the champ at 16.5 (1d6+13). Compare that to Celestial Fury and Flail of the Ages! It is two-handed, though, but even compared to 2-h swords and halberds it does well.
Halberds: Wave is cool, but the best halberd is Dragon's Breath. Average damages: Wave - 11.75, Dragon's Breath - 14.5 (yes it does get +4 to damage even though it doesn't say so in the description)
Hammers: Crom Faeyr of course. Dwarven thrower if you're a dwarf.
Long Swords: Blackrazor is almost useless since you only get to use it for 1-4 fights. Equalizer is pretty good though.
Bastard Swords: Mostly agreed. Jhor does a lot of damage, but only over time.
Axes: No ultimate weapon but an excellent pair with Frostreaver and Stonefire and a Rifthome is a good thrower. Azuredge never seems to do anything for me.
Maces: Agreed. Skullcrusher decent though. Also, Handmaidens Mace is the most damaging weapon in the game, but only over a LONG period of time and with a missed save: 6.5+20= 26.5 dmg/hit!
Short Swords: not a power gamer's weapon. Cutthroat good for backstabbing.
Quarterstaves: excellent ones, but not really an offensive weapon
2-h: Agreed
Clubs: I think underrated is the word to use. Blackblood and Gnasher are both very, very good. Blackblood does 9.5 average damage and Gnasher does 13.5. With Gnasher it does take 4 rounds, but against spell casters that can be a bonus and there is no save.
Missile weapons: completely different discussion.