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HoF - Yes, I've attempted it

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HoF - Yes, I've attempted it

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Well, I decided to go ahead and give HoF a whirl, since I'm about to start on the Evercrack in about three weeks.

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I chose to use Veldrin, since he was a high level and could take care of himself. I tried starting a new party, but quickly dropped that idea as the urge to tear out my hair or damage my gaming machine got to be too much before I even cleared the docks. :p


Using Veldrin, I came across several goblins instead of just 1 or 2, noting that the level adjustment system is indeed still working. I almost died taking down those goblins, even with buffs. And of course, due to the incredibly inept experience adjustments, I got no XP from those 5 goblins which nearly killed me. Grrrr.

Not wanting to get zero experience for my risks, I created a level 1 drow sorcerer to lower my party level so I could get experience. Ah, now I get 3000 XP per goblin - nice.

I've been relying more on monster summoning than I would like, but I see little choice when confronted with some of the more difficult encounters. The enemies have ludicrious saving throws and BAB's, making armor class and attack spells essentially useless. I would've liked to see some HoF specific spells to make this a little more worthwhile; as it is, it feels like something tacked on at the end without much regard for the overall balance of the game. And although many of the weapons are tanked up considerably (Goblin Slayer kills goblins on a successful hit - made the Palisades a joke) having a +5 weapon while trying to face 12 foes with twice your hit points, armor class, and BAB is pretty worthless.

The encounter with Emma Moonblade is absolutely impossible without 6 full up fighters; all 11 orcs (3 archers, 8 warriors) charge you regardless of your position on the map (should you try to sneak by them using invisibility) and thus I found it necessary to allow emma to finish off half of them before I could enter the fray.

I have continued to add characters as I see fit; Veldrin is maximum level, my drow sorcerer is now level 19, i have a level 1 ranger , sorcerer, and monk (3 separate characters) which I am squatting to keep my XP gains high, and a level 17 svirneblin rogue which I use to guide my summoned monsters to battle.

All in all, its fun, but a little bland at times. I think I will try a new party from scratch in HoF next time, frustrating as it may be.
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Post by Wrath-Of-Egg »

Well you should try 6 sorcerer/wizard party.... 6 symbol of stuns and then 6 animate deads and rest cleared with delayed fireball or horrid...
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But seriusly.. Party without Bard is not party...

I can understand that SYM forum.. mentally 6 year old people is just running around with scissors on their hand.

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Only problem with that is some of the melee situations would be unwinnable. Like the Emma ambush mentioned above.
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DOH.... have you ever tried symbol of stun....(with both spell penetration and max cha...) so what is so hard? just summon those animate dead....
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But seriusly.. Party without Bard is not party...

I can understand that SYM forum.. mentally 6 year old people is just running around with scissors on their hand.

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Post by SDMoNoLitH »

Have you tried HoF? Monster saving throws are through the roof. I think I've seen them fail to save twice. That's all. Mostly, my mages just lob spells that don't do anything at them. And summoning only works if they don't chunk you before you complete the spell. :eek:
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............................ i played with this tacktic to kuldaher in hof mode....

i had fighter/paladin, cleric(ilmater), druid and sorcerer... cleric has one horrid.... druid has fire storm sorcerer ´has symbol of stun....and horrid + dealyed fireball...
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But seriusly.. Party without Bard is not party...

I can understand that SYM forum.. mentally 6 year old people is just running around with scissors on their hand.

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Post by SDMoNoLitH »

How'd you get past the fight with 11 orcs where Emma Moonblade makes her appearance?
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Post by Wrath-Of-Egg »

are you retard....?

have you ever heard spell symbol of stun.......jfnjvnbflnkjsbfnkbsafnl

it stuns mosnters......,.. when they are stunned they wont moveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee at allllllllllllllllllllll....
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But seriusly.. Party without Bard is not party...

I can understand that SYM forum.. mentally 6 year old people is just running around with scissors on their hand.

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Are *you* retarded? I just said symbol stun never works for me. Get out of my thread, please. :rolleyes:
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well thats pity for you... it works realy well with me...
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But seriusly.. Party without Bard is not party...

I can understand that SYM forum.. mentally 6 year old people is just running around with scissors on their hand.

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Post by talyn »

I haven't tried it so I have absolutely no standing but I'll have a bash at some advice. Why don't, ye buff your party up with big buffy spells before ye go a-entering that area, then get an Arcane person to mirror image themselves and summon something nasty while someone else pelts them with damagey spells, such as fireball or rainstorm or something akin to that, preferably ones that rely on level rather than just how big the monsters are. Then get your beefed tanks to roll in and start slicing. But yes, the only other way is to use spells that disable or hinder that don't rely on failed saving throws. But you can't go wrong with big hairy summoned creatures, even if they're just used to delay your enemies while you damage them enough or weaken them enough to lower their power to outside of the realms of invincibility.
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