when will i find lvl4 spells?

tamenrot · Post by **tamenrot** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:18 am

Uh, a friend and I are soloing with a paladin4/cleric4 and a conjurer mage7/thief2 ("some" good area spells lost, we know...). I am the mage and at my level I can learn 3 lvl4 spells but... where can I get them!? We are at the Chapter First, at the goblin fortress, and I'm thinking about if it is worth leveling up in thief class, as I can't find spells to date, as this way I could help the paladin a bit more.
What should I do? Level up mage, or level up thief?

(of course we have not played before the icewind dale

, but we are soloing because we both played and finished baldur's gate and wanna play together a game that none of us had played before).

M_J · Post by **M_J** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:40 am

First of all, i must say this, you chose conjurer and that means you cannot learn spells from the evocation class, that is by far the best class in the game, and i do mean by far, it includes fireball, magic missile etc (most offensive spells). This is not meant to critisice but you stated this is your first time through so i'm just telling you what you gave up and you are used to BG, in that game conjurer only has divination as opposition class, but this has been changed in ID2,beware!!!!!!

To answer your question: it is perfectly normal to be able to cast lvl4 spells and not find them at that time, its a little fault in id2. If i am not mistaken you find them as soon as you start chapter 2.

Olso, don't forget id2 is not like bg, id2=3rd edition rules, bg=2nd edition rules, so if you have any further questions, feel free to ask.

Wrath-Of-Egg · Post by **Wrath-Of-Egg** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:41 am

well i have nothing much to say but.. what is id2.. DO you MEAN IWD2?

and magic missle is not so helpfull in long run...

M_J · Post by **M_J** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:43 am

Yes id2=iwd2, u just use the short version and magic missile is only one spell from the evocation class, i used it as an example because i think it is the only usefull lvl1 spell later in the game beside chromatic orb (wich is also evocation)

Wrath-Of-Egg · Post by **Wrath-Of-Egg** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:49 am

well it cand stop spell casting... but the damage is joke... but with working improved iniative you spam that spell..

tamenrot · Post by **tamenrot** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:39 am

Yes, we realized that in icewind daleII Evocation was the opposite school to Conjuration

And then we reviewed the spells, cryed out a bit and... accepted it. All the way there are good spells a conjurer can use, and it is only to change the tactic to face monsters. Bye, bye, fireballs and storms... but welcome acid spells and the specialization in acid (25% more damage with acid).
Now we have the challengue (sob, I loved fireballs...), why don't face it?
Let's see if we got stuck or not

, hahahaha

Thidiazuron · Post by **Thidiazuron** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:03 am

A Real Chalenge

Hi!
I am the one who plays with Tamenrot in our particular challenge. I want to point out that although we realised soon that evocation is the best school of magic, loosing it give us a greater challenge. We got a bit bored in BGII playing with a great custom party so we decided to play IWDII as a duo with the characters we love the most (not precisely te best combos ever). So far we are advancing, testing new tactics and enjoying Skull trap as a substitute to Fireball, by the way, Skull trap seems to be a better spell, slashing damage is less often resisted than fire damage, and it can be used to set traps an lure the enemies into it.

M_J · Post by **M_J** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:33 am

What you say is true, skull trap is idd a nice subsitute for fireball and with evo as your opposition class you do idd have a challenge at hand but it will allow you to get to know some other spells a bit more that might be worth it aswell, keep me updated on what spells you find usefull if possible.

Thidiazuron · Post by **Thidiazuron** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:09 am

Well, after reviewing what spells we were missing without evocation we decided to use Dale Keeper to change the conjurer to an evoker. We just couldn´t stand watching how many good spells we were missing. To continue the challenge we choosed evoker to loose conjuration spells in purpose, since we are only two characters (to lose invoked creatures, that help a lot as meat cushions).
Fireball, Acid Rain, Sunfire... too many to loose!

Wrath-Of-Egg · Post by **Wrath-Of-Egg** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:27 am

those spells that you listed... well perhaps in normal.. but only spells that matter are delayed fireball, horrid, symbol of stun, shadows, animatedead, knock and improved haste... and since i found only these spells usefull... i play as sorcerer...to get more those spells...

M_J · Post by **M_J** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:29 am

There are plenty more spells out there that are usefull, almost the entire enchantment school rules (improved command, improved domination,dire charm, malison, emotion:despair,etc) and many more from other schools.

Wrath-Of-Egg · Post by **Wrath-Of-Egg** » Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:55 am

yes there is.. but what spell fits best in your gaming style...

Thidiazuron · Post by **Thidiazuron** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:19 am

[QUOTE=Wrath-Of-Egg]yes there is.. but what spell fits best in your gaming style...[/QUOTE]
That´s it!
I do not mean to say that evocation is mandatory, we played without it and managed to do the first chapter. What we noticed is that our style fits better with Fireball than with Fire Elemental. We want to have fun, and that´s a personal feeling. Any situation can be overcomed in many different ways, what we are talking about is of personal choice. For me watching a group of small creatures being burned together is the funniest thing in this kind of games.
What is a fact is that evocation school is really overpowered, not only it has offensive spells, it also has red and blue shields. Magic missiles are nice, Sunfire is nice, Storms are nice...
And, considering that we are a two member party playing in Normal (wich, IMHO equals playing six in higher dificulty), evocation was a school that we didn´t want to miss. Besides, 75% of spell scrolls in early game are evocation. Too many reasons for changing conjurer to evoker.