Multiclassing, does it make a difference which class I start with? (rog/figh)

raza · Post by **raza** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:20 pm

I have a vision of roguishfighter dualwielding rapier and a smaller weapon. Magical weapons that knockdown, sneak attacks, etc..

Does it matter which character I start with? If I start with rogue, and then level up on fighter, do I have the same amount of feats/skills/etc if I started with fighter and then level'd up with rogue class?

Does the first class effect my story line other then the prelude (train with rogues instead of fighters..)?

Rz

Volk · Post by **Volk** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:01 pm

No but i start as a fighter generaly, use rapiers and kukris, go for keen weapons and use improved critical, as a 10fighter/10rogue you should still get 4 attacks per round 2 in the offhand and another one from haste, with use magical device, you can make this guy unstopable.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 1:24 pm

It should not make any differences if saying 10/10 split between fighter rouge in case of feats, skills and such .... almost.

Due to the differences in class skills, then one can save skill points from the rouge levels and use on fighter class skills when taking fighter levels.
For instance. say you have a rogue that gains 12 skill points at level up. If you only use say 8 of these when choosing skills - you can save 4 to the next time you level up. This means you have 4 more at this next level to place in a fighter class skill (like discipline for instance).
(hope this was understandable ...

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However, the main reason many starts as a fighter, is that in the game the first low levels are easier to survive as a fighter then a rogue, but it makes little difference in the end.

Mirk · Post by **Mirk** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 3:06 pm

your basic rule for what to start with should be: the class that givemore skill points. in the case of a rogue being one of the classes, the choice is clear in favor of the rogue.

you can save as many points as you like for the class skills of your second class.

Paranitis · Post by **Paranitis** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:34 pm

Actually..to me I would say that the beginning class only really matters depending on if you want to go into a PrC or not.

If a PrC needs a high number of feats, then go fighter in the beginning, if the PrC needs high number of skills, then go with rogue.

Drakosha · Post by **Drakosha** » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:31 pm

Heh,guys! i can`t belive that NONE of you cheked that! the difference between starting rogue and fighter is 20 SKILLPOINTS! If you read slowly manual,then you discover that every class starts with different amount of skillpoints.
fighter with int 10 will start something like 20,rogue will start with 40.

Mirk · Post by **Mirk** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:36 am

@Drakosha:

man, you should really READ the posts before you bust them. that's pretty much what everyone said.

Drakosha · Post by **Drakosha** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:46 am

2Mirk:
i know. everyone said the point in skills. but it's exactly 20 skillpoints.

may be i was too "loud".

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:05 am

Raza, another thing to consider when dualclassing is that it's best to keep both classes at the same level all the time. E.g. you level up in the first, and then the second, and then again in the first class. It's important b/c if the difference between the levels of the two classes is more than one, you suffer 20% xp loss for the class that's at the lower level!

E.g. F4/R3 is fine, but in case of F5/R2 the rouge suffers 20% XP penalty, which, imho, is quite a big loss.

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:06 am

[QUOTE=Drakosha]2Mirk:
i know. everyone said the point in skills. but it's exactly 20 skillpoints.

may be i was too "loud".

[/QUOTE]

Or just too enthusiastic

It's all right, I say.

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:29 pm

Another point to consider is that (for HotU) if you take 20 levels of fighter THEN take Rogue, you will have one more attack.

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 12:31 am

But it's all stated clearly in the manual, so if you're looking for more detailed explanation, I suggest that you look up these rules in it.

BlackHand · Post by **BlackHand** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:15 am

[QUOTE=Noober]Another point to consider is that (for HotU) if you take 20 levels of fighter THEN take Rogue, you will have one more attack.[/QUOTE]
That's not quite correct. A fighter's attacks max out at lvl 16 anyway, because you can't get more than 4 attacks in NWN. You don't have to take that many fighter levels to get 4 attacks btw., even a Fighter(4)/Rogue(16) will get them.

raza · Post by **raza** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:29 am

thanks

Thank you all for your insightful posts, as it is obvious - the manual isn't that clear on all aspects.. for myself I couldn't even deduct if you get the same amount of feats/skills if you start the game with class, and if you multiclass later to the same class from another starting class..

Rz

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:32 am

All right. Well, that's what a forum is for, actually - to help you if the manual is not enoguh

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:52 am

[QUOTE=Brynn]Raza, another thing to consider when dualclassing is that it's best to keep both classes at the same level all the time. E.g. you level up in the first, and then the second, and then again in the first class. It's important b/c if the difference between the levels of the two classes is more than one, you suffer 20% xp loss for the class that's at the lower level!

E.g. F4/R3 is fine, but in case of F5/R2 the rouge suffers 20% XP penalty, which, imho, is quite a big loss.[/QUOTE]

Does this not depend on what race you are though? Humans' and half-elves' highest class don't count, so does the second class get a penalty, or if you use 2 other classes do those get a penalty? Not done much in the way of multiclassing so I'm not too sure.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:25 am

Multiclass exp. penalties are depending on favored class, which are different for races. Humans have none and thus they get no multiclass exp. penalty.

If you multiclass outside your race favored class, then you will get the 20% penalty as mentioned.

Drakosha · Post by **Drakosha** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:33 am

No penalties for Prestige classes,btw....

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:32 am

Yeah I knew Prestige didn't count.

What about if I were to take 2 Prestige classes? Still no penalty?

And humans and half-elves get a penalty if they branch into a third class don't they? (exlcuding prestige classes, of course)

Paranitis · Post by **Paranitis** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:59 am

I don't believe you can have 2 prestige classes in NWN.