This game is not that good

speedstr · Post by **speedstr** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:19 am

Just got to the part where I am allowed to proceed to other planets.
So far this is what I think of KOTR...
Maps:
-They offer no way to really identify where you are other than saying "north" or "south" etc....not enough information.

-No way to post comments on maps....terrible.

Weapons:

Hmmmm. Let me see...I have guns or I have swords ( light sabers).. wow, good selection..Although you have special abilities with the "force" it doesn't add any excitement to the fights. No real effects when special abilities are used. Kind of dissapointing.

oh yea, I have grenades of different types. Guess I should get excited about that....

Voices:
plain and dull. enough said.

Landscapes:
Pretty dull..walk, walk, walk..nothing sticks out..nothing seems to say " wow, this is beautiful. Pretty plain and dull looking.

AI:
Yuck:
How many times do I have to switch to a different person so that they can move out of my way before proceeding? Heaven forbid someone is standing close to a doorway cause I can't get past unless I switch to a different person, move him out of the way, and switch back...

Cut scenes:
Pretty substandard

more to come but I'm falling asleep just thinking of the terrible things with this game...

People praise it? Please, praise it for what? IMO it's one of the most over-rated games out there.

The only reason I continue to play is becouse I paid good money for it. Otherwise it would be in the garbage can.

Rating so far:
3 out of 10

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:27 am

It's all a matter of opinion. And I think there are several better examples of an over-rated, hyped up disappointment of a game.

If you don't like it, don't play it! Why torture yourself? Let the people that like it carry on

. I agree with you in parts, but what is the point of posting this on a message board full of people who liked KotOR?

As for landscapes, I kind of agree with you, except for one planet. Some vary nice landscaping on that planet, which I will let you discover later in the game, without saying any more than that.

EDIT: I would ALSO like to point out that this game has the name "Star Wars" attached to it. Therefore, there isn't a massive amount of weaponry aside from blasters and swords/light-sabers. What else are you looking for? In a Star Wars game that's more or less all I would really expect.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:56 am

[QUOTE=Admo]<snip>
I agree with you in parts, but what is the point of posting this on a message board full of people who liked KotOR?
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It is part of a being on a dicussion board - posting opinions even when it is in disagreement with the majority.

We are some that have posted on occasions about what we didn't like about the game as well. Infact personally - I find it a substandard RPG but a good action game.

speedstr · Post by **speedstr** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 9:54 am

I play this game for one reason and one reason alone.
I spent money on this and I'll be damned if I do not finish it. Just becouse it is a dissapointing game doesn't mean that I'm about to throw it out the window.
It doesn't matter wether other people like this game, love this game, or hate it. This is a forum to discuss such matters. I'm sure there are many people who agree with some if not all of my views.

If I have learned one this about this game is that I don't think I'm gonna like StarWars themed games. If this is the best of the best then I will look elswhere.

What am I looking for in a StarWars based game? Same thing everyone is. Enjoyment. The "theme" of the game has little bearing on the gameplay.

IMO it is a subpar rpg. No more and no less. ( I've played worse and lived to tell the tale)

techoluvr · Post by **techoluvr** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:58 am

Why didnt you just rent the game before you bought it

UrchSr · Post by **UrchSr** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 10:59 am

First off, welcome to the forum! Your opinion is yours and I defend your freedom of speech even if I don't personally agree with it. I also find some fun to "tussle the hair" of die hard fans of any genre whether game, book, or movie. This was the first RPG I've ever played and was rather impressed and wondered why I never did before. I saw this game as a good beginner RPG, great, even. I was excited when I discovered the action side. Smooth blend of genre. I was disapointed with Star Wars games in the past (exept for the Knight series) and was happy with the improvement.

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:26 am

What am I looking for in a StarWars based game? Same thing everyone is. Enjoyment. The "theme" of the game has little bearing on the gameplay.

Rubbish! Of course the theme has bearing on the gameplay. Your complaint was about the lack of variety in the weaponry. If you starting putting in mad sets of weapons then you would lose the Star Wars theme. Which is the point of the game - role-playing a Star Wars type character.

Sorry, but I don't understand why you carry on playing if you rate it as "3 out of 10". A disappointing game if you ask me is 5-6/10, 3 out of 10 is downright poor. I have never rented games before, but if it was that bad I would shelf it, return it, or sell it on.

I just found it strange that you came to a game message board to tell everyone how much you hated it. I can understand people complaining about certain aspects, but you seemed to dislike everything about it except the variety of grenades! In a case like that I would simply get on with another game, personally I don't see where telling everyone about how everything is bad about a game gets you! But that's just me

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speedstr · Post by **speedstr** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 11:43 am

Rubbish! Of course the theme has bearing on the gameplay

No. Every game should have a basic set of fundamentals. RPG games are no different. I found it lacking in many ways to other RPG's. That's my opinion.
A forum isn't just for positive aspects of a game. It isn't for people who particulary love the game. It a sounding board of ideas, hints, and personal opinions.

Renting isn't an option. It is a PC based game.

My reasons for playing are already mentioned. You may have money to throw away but I don't. I will play it to the end, put it on a shelf and forget about it.

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 2:09 pm

I wish I had money to throw away.... sadly not. Which is why I mostly buy games that are on offer, or have been out 1 or 2 years to get them cheaper - I generally have to be sure I'm going to like a game before I pay the full price for it. But if what you're looking for is enjoyment, then you may as well put your copy on Ebay or something like that, because carrying on with a game you don't like isn't the best of ideas IMO.

In my opinion, the theme of a game has a lot more influence than the fundamentals of each genre - hence certain games typify a genre more so than others, while others cross over different genres. Bioware probably wanted to satisfy Star Wars fans more than they wanted to appeal to RPG fans (without excluding them, obviously). While it might not fit the RPG genre absolutely perfectly, what it had was plenty of action, a very simple and easy to get into design, and a pretty good story as Star Wars goes.

We'll just make it clear - I have no problem with you posting, and do not question your freedom of speech: only the point of it. I've always thought this on any game message board. If you're having a problem or something and having a rant about that, where people can perhaps help you in some way, I can understand it. But just telling everyone how bad a game isn't going to get you anywhere, apart from an interesting discussion on it!!!

EDIT: btw I do agree, it lacks in certain ways as an RPG, although I can see why they made such choices. Eg, the ridiculous amount of equipment you can carry, and only 3 (and 3 again) different classes to chose from (probably just to make it more accessable for less RPG orientated players), and forcing you to become a Jedi (kind of necessary to the story).

LizzieEs · Post by **LizzieEs** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:23 pm

I very much like the game, but I realise I'm totally unqualified to have much opinion on it as an RPG, as it's the only one I've ever really played. I like the fact that it's not too difficult and has a fairly linear storyline, however, this might also make it less fun to re-play.

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 4:02 am

Indeed, my thoughts exactly. Maybe play again once, but not after that. Unless you take the opposite path you took before, but depends on what you like doing.

That was my only real issue, how easy it was, especially the second time when you know the story!

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 1:38 pm

[QUOTE=speedstr]Just got to the part where I am allowed to proceed to other planets.
So far this is what I think of KOTR...
Maps:
-They offer no way to really identify where you are other than saying "north" or "south" etc....not enough information.

-No way to post comments on maps....terrible.

Weapons:

Hmmmm. Let me see...I have guns or I have swords ( light sabers).. wow, good selection..Although you have special abilities with the "force" it doesn't add any excitement to the fights. No real effects when special abilities are used. Kind of dissapointing.

oh yea, I have grenades of different types. Guess I should get excited about that....

Voices:
plain and dull. enough said.

Landscapes:
Pretty dull..walk, walk, walk..nothing sticks out..nothing seems to say " wow, this is beautiful. Pretty plain and dull looking.

AI:
Yuck:
How many times do I have to switch to a different person so that they can move out of my way before proceeding? Heaven forbid someone is standing close to a doorway cause I can't get past unless I switch to a different person, move him out of the way, and switch back...

Cut scenes:
Pretty substandard

more to come but I'm falling asleep just thinking of the terrible things with this game...

People praise it? Please, praise it for what? IMO it's one of the most over-rated games out there.

The only reason I continue to play is becouse I paid good money for it. Otherwise it would be in the garbage can.

Rating so far:
3 out of 10[/QUOTE]

I've never actually found a game where I could post comments on the map, so frankly that doesn't bother me.

Well, what do you expect with weapons? Most games have pretty much the same weapons, only some are more powerful than others, some are specifically for certain things, etc. It's not exactly like they have a lot to work with with Star Wars anyway; everything's a laser. Plus, you'd think everything would be less advanced than it is in the era of Dark Forces, so you don't get that whole spectrum of weapons like the concussion rifle, carbonite gun (though you can equip droids with something similar), sniper pistol (at least not the way the Tenloss or whatever it's called is in Jedi Outcast, where you can zoom up close and vaporize an enemy), and stuff like that. So you're meant to be stuck with a relatively small assortment of weapons.

When are voices not dull?

As for switching characters to move them out of your way, this isn't exactly limited to this game. I know I've had that problem in other games before, because they were blocking me. The programmers probably just don't think of that eventuality sometimes, and you're stuck with it.

And everyone has their own opinion on the game. Yours is negative, and that's fine. Other people like it. I personally tend to get bored with a game a week after I get it, although KotOR was kind of addicting to me, and I'm still not sure why.

speedstr · Post by **speedstr** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 6:51 pm

It's not even so much the weapons as it is that there isn't any excitment involved in the battles or really, anything else. The whole game itself seems rather bland.
When fighting, couldn't they have spiced it up a bit? Add some flare, some sparkle something. There are all these jedi force tricks you can use but lack that certain wow factor when you use one of these abilities...I don't know, it all seems kind of bleh to me...

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:41 am

[QUOTE=speedstr]It's not even so much the weapons as it is that there isn't any excitment involved in the battles or really, anything else. The whole game itself seems rather bland.
When fighting, couldn't they have spiced it up a bit? Add some flare, some sparkle something. There are all these jedi force tricks you can use but lack that certain wow factor when you use one of these abilities...I don't know, it all seems kind of bleh to me...[/QUOTE]

I certainly think that they could have improved combat. I guess it's a consequence of having a D&D influenced system, but it was one of the things that spoilt the role-playing system. It was too slow, and light-saber battles in particular would have been amazing with better blocking and faster pace. Closer to the films, really. But it would be difficult to put that in.

UrchSr · Post by **UrchSr** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:29 am

The fighting system was based on the Starwars CCG. So look at the game as a CCG turned Video Game... Like Magic: the Gathering did.

speedstr · Post by **speedstr** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:47 pm

Closer to the films, really. But it would be difficult to put that in.

I don't know, Prince of Persia has a very cool fighting system. That type of style would have been perfect for lightsabre battles.....

Admo · Post by **Admo** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:28 pm

Yeah actually, was playing that the other day at my mates house (on PS2, only got a PC myself). Really quite cool, although perhaps stripping a few of the aerobatics down! Unless you take them as feats or something!

Perhaps not super RPG-like, but good fun none-the-less!

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:30 pm

[QUOTE=speedstr]I don't know, Prince of Persia has a very cool fighting system. That type of style would have been perfect for lightsabre battles.....[/QUOTE]
But in Prince of Persia, you only had to worry about one character. It'd be harder to implement that combat system into a multi-character game. Though, I would love to see the combat system from PoP used more...