The Evil All-Stars In Throne Of Bhaal...

edguy · Post by **edguy** » Tue Jun 12, 2001 4:28 am

Originally posted by Red Inquisition:
If i'm evil i'll want to piss off those slavers. Let the little punny punks come get some.

No. If you just want to piss people off then your not EVIL, then you're just plain stupid. An EVIL character would side with the group that is the stronger and assist them at squeezing the very last drop of blood out to the bodies of their enemies and then, at a suitable moment, take control over the entire slave-running business.

If you would consider yourself chaotic neutral you may want to just to piss people off, but then again your head wouldn't be functioning properly.

Originally posted by Nikolai:
YOu have to think about the story and the PC.He's a pwerful do and underneath you know Firkraag was peeing in his scale because the PC was a bhaal child.

As I see it Firkraag wasn't scared of the Bhaalspawn. If find it hard to imagine that a practically immortal creature such as a dragon could even comprehend the fact that a mortal could end its existence. If you were a dragon you'd probably be interested in an event such as the conflict between half-gods such as the Bhaalspawn simply because your life (lying about in a moisty dungeon or terrorizing the local peasants all day long) would become quite boring after a while.

Originally posted by Metatron:
I think I've done it before, and I'll do it again. That kind of defeatist attitude isn't the stuff that gods are made of..

I don't think that the dragons in bgii were really anything like the dragons that I've grown up hearing about. Dragons aren't supposed to get killed at such a rapid pace as in the Baldur's Gate-series. 3 dragons in a month? Not bloody likely. What about what the OTHER Bhaalspawn have been up to during the time you spanked these dragonbutts? Ten maybe fifteen dragons and a dozen demonprinces?!? Consider the fact that you've only been aware of your ancestry for about a year!!!

Dragons aren't supposed to be killed!

They are simply there to deter high level pc:s from getting to ****y about their newfound abilities.

Playing bgi I remember missing out a dragon. But I didn't want to kick it's butt! I wanted it there simply for the awe-instilling sensation of such a creature. In that was bgii has been quite unsatisfactory.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Tue Jun 12, 2001 9:39 am

If Dragons were not put in for the sole purpose of Dragon slaying, then why are they so easy? Their AI is so really crappy that not even their cheesy stats can save them...

Don't get me wrong, I think it's unrealistic killing 3 dragons a year after becoming an adventurer, but fantasy games have a rep for being unrealistic, right?

Metatron · Post by **Metatron** » Tue Jun 12, 2001 10:47 am

Gee, and I thought they included all that dragon slaying equipment to help you SLAY DRAGONS. You know, all the weapons and armor you get that's specifically geared to SLAY DRAGONS? I thought for sure that meant the BG2 developers expected at least -some- of their players to take up the sword and SLAY SOME FREAKING DRAGONS, but I suppose I could have been mistaken.
Well, now I see the light. I'm going to take all that dragon slaying equipment and give it to Elminster or Drizzt or another more experienced adventurer. I mean, it's only been a year since I left Candlekeep, I couldn't possibly hope to kill a dragon.

I'm unsure whether this message will be seen as feisty, or crazy.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Tue Jun 12, 2001 1:53 pm

Gee, and I thought they included all that dragon slaying equipment to help you SLAY DRAGONS.

LOL! But seriously, are all those anti-Dragon goodies really the best anti-Dragon goodies? Right... And what did I mean by that? I mean, aren't you better off whacking Dragons with Crom Faeyr or Flail of the Ages than with that dragonslayer sword? I'd never touch it, personally...

ElvenKing · Post by **ElvenKing** » Tue Jun 12, 2001 8:14 pm

@ edguy - I hear what you're saying about the dragons being disappointing. The shadow dragon kicked my butt for a while before I figured out how to play the game, but I found Firkraag to be especially easy. However, if you're disappointed by the AI used to control the dragon attacks, why not try downloading one of the improved dragon AI patches that are readily available from members here on the board. I know that Kevin Dorner's Baldurdash patches include one that makes dragons smarter in combat, and I believe KensaiRyu made a file that makes dragons an incredibly hard battle (one that might just give you a run for your money).
Good luck,
ElvenKing

Raphtyr · Post by **Raphtyr** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 5:08 am

Yes I agree, it's all terribly unrealistic. What with Dragons not being real and all.

Doltan · Post by **Doltan** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:17 am

Originally posted by edguy:
I don't think that the dragons in bgii were really anything like the dragons that I've grown up hearing about. Dragons aren't supposed to get killed at such a rapid pace as in the Baldur's Gate-series. 3 dragons in a month? Not bloody likely.

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How about mowing through two dragons in Watcher's Keep alone? I had a solo Illusionist/Thief (something like level 19/24) do it with out even resting before the battles. And what is up with the Green dragon ("I guess I have to kill you...")? That thing was a joke.

General · Post by **General** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:55 am

Originally posted by ElvenKing:
@ KidD01 - Since Irenicus isn't a party joinable NPC, I'm going to have to disagree with you there!
Seriously though, I just can't see him in a party even if you could take him (without using Ctrl-Q...). I get the impression that he'd be one of those people that always failed the 'Works co-operatively in a group' portions of his report card in grade school. I just don't see him as a team player...

What does Ctrl-Q do??? On a totally uprelated topic, how do I make it so I unselect my party members???? I've tried everything but I always have one selected

Doltan · Post by **Doltan** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:01 am

Originally posted by General:
On a totally uprelated topic, how do I make it so I unselect my party members???? I've tried everything but I always have one selected

One way is to summon a creature and click on that creature. I'm sure there are others of course. Why do you need to unselect your party members?

General · Post by **General** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 10:10 am

Originally posted by Doltan:
One way is to summon a creature and click on that creature. I'm sure there are others of course. Why do you need to unselect your party members?

So I can Ctrl-Y some innocent bystanders

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 11:27 am

Originally posted by General:
So I can Ctrl-Y some innocent bystanders

You don't need to "un-select" anyone for that. It kills the creature the pointer is over, not the selected party member (unless, of course, that's what you're aiming at

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Dúnadan · Post by **Dúnadan** » Wed Aug 01, 2001 9:33 pm

Getting back on topic, the ultimate evil party mentioned in the first post happens to be exactly the party that I currently have, right down to the assassin PC, and I must say, its certainly a blast.

Oh, and the real ultimate anti-dragon weapon is:

Sarevok + Vorpal Sword + Greater Whirlwind

spork · Post by **spork** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 12:35 am

So many chaotic characters in a group would not like travelling together. Seriously, can you just immagine the bickering? Although I wish there were a Sarevok/Viconia romance--especially if it also overlapped with the PC/Viconia romance, if any. Really, does she look like a big fan of monogamy? Maybe she would try to get your PC and Sarevok to fight over her. Classic brother vs. brother stuff. Damn, I should work for Bioware!

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 11:49 am

Originally posted by spork:
So many chaotic characters in a group would not like travelling together.

Isn't that a bit of heavy stereotyping? I doubt Chaotic characters are all outspoken, uncooperative, unsociable individualists. A party of six Nalias, for example, would probably get along just fine.

Dúnadan · Post by **Dúnadan** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 1:55 pm

Originally posted by Xyx:
 A party of six Nalias, for example, would probably get along just fine.

Six Nalias... *shudder*

reedimus · Post by **reedimus** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:18 pm

the first time I played bg2 I did so with a goody allignment. I got up to Bodhi's proposition and fell in love. I dropped my belongings and imported a new main char with the proper allignment to woo bodhi. the makers of BG2 have broken my heart by not allowing bodhi to join my party. so, onto the topic, I have to say the best evil all star is bodhi. too bad you can't change the entire storyline of the game with shadowkeeper.

Fezek · Post by **Fezek** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 2:42 pm

Originally posted by Xyx:
. A party of six Nalias, for example, would probably get along just fine.

Six Nalia's..OMG! That is hideous prospect!Xyx how dare you come up with such idea

Tyrael Battlerager · Post by **Tyrael Battlerager** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 4:17 pm

There is one alignment that is even more fun than being evil... Chaotic Neutral...

I have CN sorceror who is a bit insane, mad whacko etc. When a good vs evil issue appears just toss a coin to decide ho ho ho.

Another thing... I miss XZAR; MONTY AND SHAR'TEEL

Valorhan · Post by **Valorhan** » Thu Aug 02, 2001 5:21 pm

From the previous posts, someone mentioned siding with Firrkragg if you are neutral . However, a neutral character is somewhat of an opportunist and if you get a chance to kill a dragon (when Firrkragg lets you go and is completely unaware of an attack) a NE character would most likely take it. Besides, you are the child of the God of . things is natural to you, isn't it?