Shadow thieves and Vampires.

me0w · Post by **me0w** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:56 am

Normally I side with the ST's however this time its Bhodi and her bunch. Now I was wondering, how long after recieving the "talk to bhodi" message from Valin, did I have to meet her in, also how many ST quests can I pull off before Bhodi stops her offer.

Thanks for replies.

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:31 am

Once you accept Bodhi's offer (-> pay the 15.000 gold) all Shadow Thieves will become hostile towards you, so you should do the Mae'Var quest before accepting the offer. All other quest involving the Shadow Thieves I'm aware of start only if you paid the 15.000 gold to Gaelan Bayle, and it that case you can no longer join Bodhi.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:10 pm

[QUOTE=Numinor]All other quest involving the Shadow Thieves I'm aware of start only if you paid the 15.000 gold to Gaelan Bayle, and in that case you can no longer join Bodhi.[/QUOTE]
That's not quite correct. You can't join Bodhi if you give the gold to Gaelan Bayle and do any of the quests involved in the Guild War, of course. But you can walk into the Shadow Thief compound and talk to Renal Bloodscalp before you give the gold to Gaelan, and Renal will send you on the quest to deal with Mae'var. I can't think of any other quests (besides the ones that Edwin gives you in Mae'var's Guildhall).

Unfortunately, I don't know if there's a time limit before you have to speak to Bodhi after Valen approaches you. I usually meet her as soon as I can.

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:46 pm

[QUOTE=VonDondu]That's not quite correct. You can't join Bodhi if you give the gold to Gaelan Bayle and do any of the quests involved in the Guild War, of course. But you can walk into the Shadow Thief compound and talk to Renal Bloodscalp before you give the gold to Gaelan, and Renal will send you on the quest to deal with Mae'var. I can't think of any other quests (besides the ones that Edwin gives you in Mae'var's Guildhall).

Unfortunately, I don't know if there's a time limit before you have to speak to Bodhi after Valen approaches you. I usually meet her as soon as I can.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, seems it didn't get quite clear what I wanted to say.. ok, another try

Initially, you are neutral to both Shadow Thieves and vampires. As long as you don't pay either Bodhi or Gaelan Bayle the 15.000 Gold, you can do all the quests involving Mae'Vars guildhouse (including those for Edwin).
If you side with the Shadow Thieves (->pay 15.000 gold to Gaelan) there won't be any problem, you can still do those quests.
However, if you side with Bodhi (->pay her 15.000 gold) all Shadow Thieves will become hostile, including those in Mae'Var's guildhouse, and Edwin will disappear from the guild. If you haven't completed Edwin's last quest yet you will no longer be able to take him in your party (because he's essentially no longer in the game).

There's no time limit for accepting Bodhi's offer, you can wait as long as you want before you accept (or decline) it.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:17 pm

I apologize for misreading your post, Numinor. I must be going blind.

Numinor · Post by **Numinor** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:26 pm

No need to apologize

, my post may have been a bit unclear.
Since English is not my first language I'm sometimes unsure if what I write is really what I want to say

me0w · Post by **me0w** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:00 pm

"However, if you side with Bodhi (->pay her 15.000 gold) all Shadow Thieves will become hostile"

Well, firstly thanks guys. But I'm still confused. What if I meet Bhodi give her the thumbs up, but not be able to pay the 15k, because I'm too poor (a lie) then can I go visit the ST's and do the Maevar guild quest and then pay Bhodi off?

Also, does Bhodi have any quests (I really can't remmeber) - this being apart from killing all of the ST's.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:14 pm

I can't remember all of the dialogue trees, but I don't think you can lie to Bodhi about not having the gold (the game checks your inventory). Valen approached you the first time you entered the street with 15,000 gp in your inventory. If you meet Bodhi with less than 15,000 gp on you, Bodhi will tell you to come back when you've got your spending habits under control. In any case, I would definitely complete Renal's quest before visiting Bodhi. It's probably best to accept Bodhi's offer the first time you talk to her.

Bodhi does give you other quests besides killing Aran Linvail. All of them practically necessitate killing Shadow Thieves, but I don't consider those quests much bloodier than the ones that Aran Linvail would have given you if you had sided with him.

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:08 am

If you are good aligned, siding with Bodhi is in the end the best thing, in fact the city will get riddend of both the evil organizations.

Thrain · Post by **Thrain** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 7:14 am

in a roleplaying sense, even the good character who does not realise bodhi is a vampire (perhaps because of stupidity) shouldn't take her quests because, at one point, she offers you an 'evil' option and a less 'evil' option

lompo · Post by **lompo** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:43 am

Well if you assume that S.T. are evil, the less evil option is not that evil: just kill evil people like what you are doing for most part of the game.
But in the end you get ridd of both the evil organizations.
But that was just some off topic considerations.

Skribbles · Post by **Skribbles** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:51 pm

I played through the game when it first came out. Right now I'm dealing with a computer that has a fried graphics card that can only handle old games. So i've played through BG2 and TOB twice almost now. My first time through. I played as neutral assassin halfling, and sided with the Shadow Thieves. This time however, I'm playing as a something evil kensai human and when it came time to choose between the shadow thieves and the Vampires, I had to try vampires for a change. Only issue is, I really wanted to loot the boots of speed of Renal Bloodscalp before he disappears from the game forever. So after gaining some experience. I went to the second level of the Shadow thief fortress. I protected my team with a good number of spells and also spawned a hoard or dijjinis and other creatures, and I put my main player by the exit. Then I dire charmed Bloodscalp with Erwin who had protection from magical weapons cast. and i brought him right next to the exit door. Slaughtered him with Korgan on enrage, my kensai on his kai ability, and yoshimo using his backstab. Meatsacked before Arkanis garth could even appear. Grabbed all of his gear including the boots of speed that I went through all of the difficulty for, and what do you know......If you kill a shadow thief general, before you make up your mind on which side you're playing on....the game comes to a halt. You can't meet Bodhi in the graveyard, you can't proceed with Arkanis. You're literally stuck in limbo with nothing to do but sidequests. Lame.....But seems to be true.

Blomdor · Post by **Blomdor** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:55 am

This is one of the bigger problems I have with this otherwise great game. It's frequently a railroadfest. You MUST side with either thieves or vampires, you MUST go to Spellhold, you MUST do so by boat, you MUST pretend you don't know that Irenicus has taken over the Asylum, you must, you must, you must. If you try to jump off the train, some stupid cheating supermunchkin literally jumps out of the shadows and kills the party. No save, game over, do you want your possessions identified y/n? That always did annoy me.

Skribbles · Post by **Skribbles** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:30 pm

after a little more experimentation i confirmed that no you can't side with bodhi and continue that route after slaughtering renal, but you can go to gaelan in the slums district and pay him his 15k to and get the key to the shadow thieves cellar. Then you can enter the cellar from the lower entrance, kill all the thieves, and walk into aran linvail's pimp pad with the jacuzzi. He and all his men will be hostiles but he'll still give you the quest to go watch Mook get gobled up by a vampire, so if you get the quest from him, then run out of the guild, he'll chase you...You can complete the part with Mook, but you will still end up having to kill Aran Linvail, and will still be unable to continue on with the game. To make matters worse, when you kill Aran, he doesn't have his ring that summons dijjinis or efreetis or whatever they are. So, I guess I get to load an earlier save, and avoid taking Bloodscalp's head off, sad panda.

prune1 · Post by **prune1** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 1:07 pm

I think you can pickpocket the boots from Renal. Not sure.

Skribbles · Post by **Skribbles** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:59 am

you cannot pickpocket the boots, all you get is his potions and some rings and junk, but that is besides the point. I figured out that I was wrong. The reason I wasn't able to side with bodhi after killing bloodscalp was that I had taken too long gaining levels thinking arkanis garth was beatable. I have since found resolution to this problem. I loaded an earlier save, right as I was about to kill kangaax. I followed through with it, killed kangaax, got 2 of his rings with that little trick. Then I went to the copper coronet, stole the level 3 axe that bernard has for Korgan, so he'd have +3 axes. Then I went back to bloodscalp. Cast stoneskin on nalia and edwin. spawned monsters level 3 as many times as possible. Then I created a space right by the door once again. I dire charmed bloodscalp with nalia and then brought him right in the middle of my clusterfuck. Once again, I used backstab, kai, and enrage, as well as 2 cloud giant potions, and a potion of defense. Killed Bloodscalp then ran out the door, and went straight to the graveyard. It was just about morning, not quite, and to my suprise, Bodhi showed up and made her proposition to take down the shadowthieves. Little does she know that I already began. Hah. The key to avoiding Garth is definitely to make a space that he cannot appear in. That's why a cornered area surrounded by monsters all huddled together worked.