Toughest Battles from SOA and TOB

Gawayn · Post by **Gawayn** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:23 am

These are my opinions of the toughest fights.

I found most of the battles in SOA fairly easy. However, I think that one of the hardest ones was the fight in the sewers, against those 6 characters. One fellow with the throwing axe, an archer, some mages and clerics. I must have died about 5 times in this fight. Did anyone else thing it was hard? BTW, I fought everyone at once, and did not lead anyone out one by one or any other things like that.

Also, in TOB: Hardest fight was the Huntress/Hive Mother one in the dungeon.

However, I also found the Lich in Amkethran a good fight, because there were all those bloody archers everywhere, and my cleric got killed early.

Just my thoughts. Anyone agree/disagree?

G
Level 23 Mage

beaver_cheese · Post by **beaver_cheese** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:25 am

If you have the Shield of Balduran (and who doesn't?), the Hive Mother's toast.

Shard · Post by **Shard** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 9:56 am

Well ,I agree with gawayn that the toughest fight in ToB is the 6.
The last boss in ToB is also quite a fight, since I didn't kill her quickly enough, and she summoned this legion of demons and....
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In SoA, I think all the battles are quite easy,the one relatively tougher is Drizzt's party(if u choose to fight)
In BG1,well ,who else,luckily he doesn't have Deathbringer assult then.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:39 am

The sewer fight--do you mean the one where the mage leader asks you to fork over some cash, or the one behind the locked hidden door? If the former, it can be tough or easy, depending on which angle you approach it from. I've found that the fight is difficult when you enter the gang's area from the west or east. But if send a single, exploring character (either a mage or a thief armed with a Cloudkill wand) north into the gang, you have a lot of distance to retreat--and that means plenty of room to cast several Cloudkills. The more continuous damage you can do these enemies at a distance, the better off you are.

Lykwid · Post by **Lykwid** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 10:53 am

I found the last big fight before demogorgon extremely tough.

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:11 am

In SoA, the toughest battle for me was against the demi-lich, which in my opinion, is harder than Jon Irenicus. However, that battle compared to the battles in ToB is like a push-over. Several hard fight for me were against the Dragon Bhaal-spawn, damn BlackIsle must have seriously improved their dragon AI. Another tough fight was against Melissan. Does anybody know a way to dodge the Dragon's wing buffet attack?

Zartuul · Post by **Zartuul** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:20 am

In SoA it was definitey drizzit's group. No other fight even came close in difficulty.

Firestarter · Post by **Firestarter** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:45 am

The Runehammer you loot from Yaga-Shura can kill a lich in one hit, even if the lich has improved mantle and all its protections and whatnot. I have Korgan dual-wielding Crom Faeyr and Runehammer, and he took out the lich in Amkethran and the one in Sendai's enclave with a single whack.

I would have to say the hardest battle in ToB is the one in Watcher's Keep against the huntress and the hive mother and the other guys.

mikeheitz · Post by **mikeheitz** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:51 am

I AM SUCH A WIMP!!!

First, I agree that the fight with the 6 peeps in the sewers in SoA was difficult. As someone mentioned earlier, it all depends on what angle you take. But if you go at it wrong, it's a tough fight for relatively low level characters (as I was when I first ventured down there).

As far as my wimpiness... I have yet to fight, AND BEAT, a Lich. Hell, I got so tired of getting my butt handed to me in Amkethran that I just reloaded from my previous save, and let him walk out without a fight! I didn't even realize the darn Runehammer was in my possession the whole time! Geeez, I make myself sick!!!

Daniel · Post by **Daniel** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:33 pm

Well, I played SOA several times, but some battles I had easily overcome, others that should be easy, were tougher than I imagened... but the fight I lost my entire party, was the first time I fought against Firekraag. I was the only one who survived, with 1 hp left... I have shouted when Iwon, it was a starnge fight indeed. But the seconth time I played BG2 I killed him quick, with no memberd lost...

Oneiron · Post by **Oneiron** » Sat Jul 07, 2001 11:00 am

Originally posted by Vegeta:
<STRONG>Well, I played SOA several times, but some battles I had easily overcome, others that should be easy, were tougher than I imagened... but the fight I lost my entire party, was the first time I fought against Firekraag. I was the only one who survived, with 1 hp left... I have shouted when Iwon, it was a starnge fight indeed. But the seconth time I played BG2 I killed him quick, with no memberd lost...</STRONG>

I played that SoA fight with the 6 NPC's in the sewer about 20 times before I came up with a working strategy. The thing is, the strategy itself was kind of cheesy but, it was effective.

1. Trap the corridor in front of the secret door to Mekrath's lair (one or two traps should do).
2. Have Nalia stand just behind the traps and cast Web (twice if you want to be sure) then Death Fog & Cloudkill.
3. The NPCs will attack after you cast Web so there is no scripting problem in this but, they die awfully quick in all that poison gas. It really takes a lot of the challenge out of the fight. Especially since if anyone seems to be surviving the poison you can just toss a few fireballs in there to finish them off.

As for ToB I've just finished the Marching Mountains portion. Nothing has been too difficult yet. I'm going to do Watcher's Keep next. I'll see how things go there.

Kyle Marksteiner · Post by **Kyle Marksteiner** » Sat Jul 07, 2001 11:59 am

I musta got lucky, but for some reason I got the "huntress party" on the second try- and the first try I was sorta screwing around (no spells etc.)
I didn't use any cheese either (traps-door closing etc)- I did discover that the Staff of the Ram +6- is one of the, if not the, best weapon in the game. Jaheria solored the named Marilith with it- and didn't even lose her first Iron Skin.

TOB dragons honestly give me a lot more trouble- the first time one of them healed itself- I nearly pissed myself. They also seem to have an almost unlimted supply of stoneskins.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Sat Jul 07, 2001 12:17 pm

In SoA, most of the party vs. party fights are hard. The sewers, the guarded compound, Twisted Rune, etc.

Also, try to do Firkraag with KensaiRyu's Dragon AI fix. You can also download from a site (forgot which one) a demi-dracolich.

Now I may be alone on this, but the temple in the marching mountains is really hard. Okay, so I only there in ToB. Gorion/Master Wrath is really hard.

Magus · Post by **Magus** » Sat Jul 07, 2001 2:32 pm

Hmm...in both of my times through the sewers, that party never gave me much of a problem. The only serious concern I had with them was that one mage casting horror. Since haste is always the first spell I cast, my characters all run off and get themselves killed on the other baddies in the sewers. But if I cast resist fear beforehand I'm set.
BTW, summoning a planetar and an elemental prince will turn almost any fight in your favor. They're nigh invincible. I mean, come on, even at the end of Throne of Bhaal those evil twin Elemental Princes are more than a match for your entire party without summoned creatures of your own.

moriveth · Post by **moriveth** » Sat Jul 07, 2001 2:44 pm

Was Drizzt's party really that tough to kill? I didn't really have any trouble killing them, but I guess I didn't fight Drizzt till I knew my way around the game pretty well.

Anyway, the improved Demogorgon script from Baldurdash I think makes him the toughest fight in ToB. Otherwise, Melissan or the Demogorgon's guardians (Huntress party). Melissan if you're short on fighters, simply because you're going to run out of spells.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Sun Jul 08, 2001 12:57 am

I had a blast with the sewer party

Quite cheesy, I admit.

Cheese 1: Out of character knowledge. I sent a Nymph (from Call Woodland Beings) accompanied by a Wizard Eye.

Cheese 2: Unresponsive neutrals. The group starts out with blue circles and does not respond to your summons, not even when the Nymph cast Mental Domination on their Mage.

The Mage had... Domination. I had him cast it on the Cleric, who had... Mental Domination.

They pretty much wiped themselves out before I had to show up to clean up the leftovers.

cgardenh · Post by **cgardenh** » Wed Jul 18, 2001 8:29 am

I tnink the toughest battle in SoA of the one I had the most trouble with when I did it was the Twisted rune. All of those spellcasters errch!

Idiyen · Post by **Idiyen** » Wed Jul 18, 2001 8:43 am

Draconis was hard for me, i think hes bugged or something. (270 degree wing buffet? wtf?)

he casts invis and runs for casters (annoying)

he has like 10 contingencies (extremley annoying)

in human form he ATTACKS in time stop (painfully annoying)

you cant save / resist against his breath (not so bad)

he wont stand still (grr)

and the #1 thing i hate is that he kills ALL summons when he goes to dragon form - so no mordakines to even hold him off

Although i have to admit the slaves in Sendai's envlave were tough, but fun. before you start laughing, i didnt know to go up and kill the slavemaster, so they just kept coming. I went through 3 mages' spell lists of summons holding them off on 2 fronts, it was alot of xp. the ground was littered with bodies when i finally killed the slavemaster.

[ 07-18-2001: Message edited by: Idiyen ]

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:19 pm

The three toughest battles for me were:

1) Melissan
2) Draconis
3) Den of Seven Vales--I went there immediately after coming out of Irenicus's dungeon and got my butt kicked several times before I beat everyone. Maybe it was because I only had four people in the party, but that was one of the hardest scraps I was ever in. Looking back, they weren't as powerful as other opponents in the game, but relative to the party's level of experience, they were very tough.

mikeheitz · Post by **mikeheitz** » Wed Jul 18, 2001 12:34 pm

Draconis has been my toughest fight so far in either game. Abazigal was pretty tough too, but what I figured out with him is that if you save you summons until after he has changed to Dragon form, you'll be better off. I figured that out after the first time all my summoned creatures got blasted when he shifted to dragon form. Of course after dealing with Draconis 10 times (yes it took me that many times to kill him), I knew my dragon strategy pretty well.