Ranger dual to Cleric not allowed?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:37 am

Everyone has been saying that the absolute best character to have is a Ranger dual'd to a cleric at a low level, giving access to the full line of druidic and clerical spells, in addition to plate armor, and great melee ability.

On page 35 of the manual, "Characters not allowed to dual-class status include paladins, rangers, and druids."

Ya'll are abusing a bug. My version of BG2 doesn't let me dual a ranger at all (it did allow it before I installed ToB, apparently a bug they fixed).

Laurelei · Post by **Laurelei** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 11:47 am

It also says in the manual something to the effect that "All valid multiclass combinations are also valid dual class combinations". Ranger/Cleric IS a valid multiclass combination, therefore SHOULD be a dual class option as well. I don't believe it's a bug, and I certainly hope it hasn't been "fixed".

Just for the record, there are and always have been many typos and errors in the manuals for BGI and II

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 12:43 pm

If you can find the page and quote it to me specifically, feel free to do so. Mine is a direct quote taken from the manual. The 'dual-class' button is dimmed for my human ranger, when it wasn't before the installation of ToB.

I don't see any reason to get upset about it unless you really loved the cheesy powerful abilities it gave you. It never made much sense to me why a high level cleric would have all the high level druid spells just because he used to be a ranger..

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:00 pm

What your stats??????????????

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 1:02 pm

Ah, it appears I found the 'problem'.. specifically, it has to deal with the ranger kits available. Stalker and archer are not allowed to dual class, while beast master and normal ranger are.. very interesting, I think. Oh well, Stalker was the one I wanted to be a cleric anyways..

Bodhidharma · Post by **Bodhidharma** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 3:44 pm

I have a stalker, who has the 'dual class' option. It's probably because I have a human stalker. Let me guess, you chose another race besides human? Humans i think can do any dual class combo that is available. However, certain classes have restrictions on what classes you can dual to, humans are always allowed to dual to SOMETHING.

And yes I was planning on making a stalker/cleric as well, based on what I read about someone who described how bad ass they are based on the fact that they have excellent hiding in shadows abilities and can backstab for x4 damage, dual wielding.

My only concern at this point is can you back stab with blunt weapons? cuz clerics can not wield bladed weapons...

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 6:24 pm

I am a human. I made four test characters, all had exact same stats, all exact same race, the only difference between them were the kits. Ranger and Beast Master had dual class available, Stalker and Archer didn't. Do you have ToB installed? Stalker was available to dual class before I installed that..

velvetfreak · Post by **velvetfreak** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:14 pm

I don't recall very well, but are there different stat requirements for the different kits to dual-class? That might be a factor.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:22 pm

As I said, they all have the same stats.. 18 in everything, for testing purposes. So unless the requirement is greater than 18, I don't see why 2 kits can be and 2 kits can't.

Bodhidharma · Post by **Bodhidharma** » Mon Jul 02, 2001 8:53 pm

Hmm that could be it. I don't have ToB installed.

I haven't hit the 'dual class' button on my stalker, but it is highlighted as though i can press it, so i assumed that means i can use it. Plus someone described a stalker/cleric as being a great character to play solo.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 1:30 am

Archer/Cleric is possible in SoA. I wonder why they wrecked that for ToB? Wonder what other dual combos have been wrecked as well...

velvetfreak · Post by **velvetfreak** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 2:51 am

It doesn't matter. The class requirements are controlled by ABDCSCRQ.2DA for the source class, and ABDCDSRQ.2DA for the destination class, with DUALCLAS.2DA controlling which classes can dual to which. Ranger, Archer (Feralan), Stalker, and Beastmaster all have STR, DEX, and WIS requirements of 15 to dual-class, and they can only do so to a Cleric with a WIS requirement of 17. As for the rules on p. 35 of the manual, it's contradicted by DUALCLAS.2DA which flags Rangers as being able to dual to and from Clerics only...

ReignsOfPower · Post by **ReignsOfPower** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 3:29 am

We all know a Lv8Fighter/Lv31Mage in ToB will caine a Ranger/Cleric. Ever tried a Tensors Trasonformation when your hit points are 180?

(They double + gain Thaco bonous = to that at fighter level AND -4 to AC)

[ 07-03-2001: Message edited by: ReignsOfPower ]

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 5:49 am

Scott wrote:

I don't see any reason to get upset about it unless you really loved the cheesy powerful abilities it gave you. It never made much sense to me why a high level cleric would have all the high level druid spells just because he used to be a ranger..

and:

Oh well, Stalker was the one I wanted to be a cleric anyways..

So its cheesy when others want to do it (and the rulebook is for a different game - ToB, not SoA) but not when you want to dual your stalker?

What the heck is wrong with having all those Druid spells anyways? I would think that a powerful enough ranger would have enough Druidic knowledge and that any religious class based on a Ranger cleric would maintain his/her link with nature.

Sheesh.

Isn't 18 stats cheesy? Test indeed.

Oh and ReignsofPower, I don't agree that a F/M would cane a R/C. Its all down to the player.

[ 07-03-2001: Message edited by: Gruntboy ]

TheDude · Post by **TheDude** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:35 am

Originally posted by Gruntboy:
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Oh and ReignsofPower, I don't agree that a F/M would cane a R/C. Its all down to the player.

</STRONG>

may i add:

wath where u planning to do with a Fighter/Mage when a Ranger/Cleric cast Insect Plague on him??
He can't cast anything anymore.
Tensfer trans. is a nice spell but a Ranger/Cleric with:
Iron Skin, Armors of Faith, Blade Barrier, Draw upon Holy Might and Righteous Magic will wack a Fighter/Mage.
Because a F/M can't cast spells when in Tens Trans. and a Ranger/Cleric can he will always have the advantage over the F/M.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 6:55 am

Here, Here.

A F/M has to remove his armour to cast spells, a R/C doens't etc.etc.

For each and every arguement there is an equal counter-arguement.

TheDude · Post by **TheDude** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 7:22 am

Originally posted by Gruntboy:
<STRONG>A F/M has to remove his armour to cast spells, a R/C doens't etc.etc.
.</STRONG>

and when all spell are gone the R/C still has his armor and the F/M can't put it on anymore

so the R/C will still win

dimon37 · Post by **dimon37** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 10:07 am

Don't forget that F/M can
1) Wear bladsinger armor and cast at the same time.
2) can have stoneskin + another stoneskin in contingency
3) trigger allows casting simultaneous protection from magical and normal weapons (I've seen enemy mages do this)
4) Fireshield (pick a color

)
5) blur, mirrorimage, improved invisibility, try and cast insect plague on me

6) spell sequencer for three flame arrows will most likely get you down A LOT.
7) maze/imprisonment, take your pick.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 11:23 am

Originally posted by Gruntboy:
So its cheesy when others want to do it but not when you want to dual your stalker?

What the heck is wrong with having all those Druid spells anyways? I would think that a powerful enough ranger would have enough Druidic knowledge and that any religious class based on a Ranger cleric would maintain his/her link with nature.

Sheesh.

Isn't 18 stats cheesy? Test indeed.
[ 07-03-2001: Message edited by: Gruntboy ][/QB]

Heh, my very first time being bashed on a public forum with 2+ years of posting. Yes, I do indeed think it's cheesy. If they really wanted rangers to have 7th circle druid spells, then they would have, um, given them to them?

Of course I wanted a stalker/cleric! Anyone who wants any kind of power within the game will be able to smell the cheese, and follow it's path...

And the 18 all stats thing was a test

who the hell would want 4 rangers in a group anyways, all at the min level, all with the same picture, sounds, and named a, b, c, and d?

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Tue Jul 03, 2001 12:22 pm

Why not think it can beatliches not i can beat you!