Has anyone else found it a little strange, that the man who is the most adamant about upholding the masquerade, decides that it is a good idea for him to park his "royal" bum in the TALLEST building in Downtown LA??? I mean, come on now, I know he's supposed to have a "napolean thing" going on, but really, a building that huge, which you can see from almost every other zone (Santa Monica, Grout's Mansion, Hollywood...) Seriously, look out for it if you haven't noticed it. This thought came to me last night while I was playing, and felt the need to share my disbelief with everyone. TTFN,
Moon Maiden
Isn't it a little odd about Lacroix?
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Surely you haven't forgotten how long it took LaCroix to figure out where the Sabbat were hiding? Right under his nose. Well, his nose was a long way from the grond, OK, but it proves how difficult it is to find out something obvious...
Anyone who knows what a Hemothorax is:
a) is watching to much Trauma on discovery channel
b) is a doctor
c) is completely obsessed by blood and wounds
d) is all of above
a) is watching to much Trauma on discovery channel
b) is a doctor
c) is completely obsessed by blood and wounds
d) is all of above
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"It's easier to let the walls blend into you, then force yourself to blend into them"
Remember the following things:
A building that tall has a thousand offices, and no doubt people working all night. It has vast VAST security (even if chunk is the guy on desk, urk), cameras, guards, locks, passwords, key swipes... For the Sabbat, who shun mortals and their influence, getting in without being found out would be an earth shattering head ache! Then searching, floor by floor, to find one man... Who for all they know might be on a floor that isn't marked on the elveator. Plenty of buildings have floors that can only be acessed by security passes and such...
Then there is the mortal threat. Sure, the Sabbat SAY they don't follow the Masquerade, but they aren't idiots. They know that if mortals live to tell other mortals about vampires, before too long it's war with the humans, and that isn't their cup of tea. So using vampieric powers to get inside can be quite the royal pain as well!
Then there's the publicity of it all. Sure, you can strap a few blocks of C4 to some neonate fresh from the grave and blow up the whole building... But with modern suvaliance and a little help from the Cammerillas MASSIVE influence on the mortal world, before too long your being tracked down by human police investigators, then suddenly the Cammerilla pushes a few buttons and the hotel you and the other packs are staying in is demolished, during the day, and your all ash.
Don't forget, as well, that as a Prince, you basicly rule by showing you have the most power and authority. If anyone thought for a SECOND you weren't totaly in control of the entier city, they'd make a play for the throne themselves... So a lofty penthouse apartmentin a busy office building with a fortune in art, security and furniture gives the impression of "Better then you" quite well.
Then there is a question of acessability. A prince is a busy Vampire. Any dispute in the ENTIER CITY... Mortal or Vampire, is in some way his/her responsability. You really need a way to seperate yourself from the mass of vampries at your door begging for a moment of your time. They know they can't play up and make a fuss in a big office building, for fear of the policing being called and spending the next morning in a cell facing the rising sun... So everyone has to be civil and quiet and wait their turn. Mostly, this is why Princes have Seneshals to take care of this kind of thing.
Lastly... When your only pleasures are Blood and Power, why NOT live in the biggest building in town? And why NOT rub it in everyones face when you can! Ha! Look at me! I got a tower!! Do YOU have a tower?! I didn't think so!
Remember the following things:
A building that tall has a thousand offices, and no doubt people working all night. It has vast VAST security (even if chunk is the guy on desk, urk), cameras, guards, locks, passwords, key swipes... For the Sabbat, who shun mortals and their influence, getting in without being found out would be an earth shattering head ache! Then searching, floor by floor, to find one man... Who for all they know might be on a floor that isn't marked on the elveator. Plenty of buildings have floors that can only be acessed by security passes and such...
Then there is the mortal threat. Sure, the Sabbat SAY they don't follow the Masquerade, but they aren't idiots. They know that if mortals live to tell other mortals about vampires, before too long it's war with the humans, and that isn't their cup of tea. So using vampieric powers to get inside can be quite the royal pain as well!
Then there's the publicity of it all. Sure, you can strap a few blocks of C4 to some neonate fresh from the grave and blow up the whole building... But with modern suvaliance and a little help from the Cammerillas MASSIVE influence on the mortal world, before too long your being tracked down by human police investigators, then suddenly the Cammerilla pushes a few buttons and the hotel you and the other packs are staying in is demolished, during the day, and your all ash.
Don't forget, as well, that as a Prince, you basicly rule by showing you have the most power and authority. If anyone thought for a SECOND you weren't totaly in control of the entier city, they'd make a play for the throne themselves... So a lofty penthouse apartmentin a busy office building with a fortune in art, security and furniture gives the impression of "Better then you" quite well.
Then there is a question of acessability. A prince is a busy Vampire. Any dispute in the ENTIER CITY... Mortal or Vampire, is in some way his/her responsability. You really need a way to seperate yourself from the mass of vampries at your door begging for a moment of your time. They know they can't play up and make a fuss in a big office building, for fear of the policing being called and spending the next morning in a cell facing the rising sun... So everyone has to be civil and quiet and wait their turn. Mostly, this is why Princes have Seneshals to take care of this kind of thing.
Lastly... When your only pleasures are Blood and Power, why NOT live in the biggest building in town? And why NOT rub it in everyones face when you can! Ha! Look at me! I got a tower!! Do YOU have a tower?! I didn't think so!
I was Diablorised once. I got better.
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What I'm woundering about the whole thing is why on earth you would call it by the name of your freakin` for gia's sake. Really if any hunter wanted to know were to locate a Prince he might want to start by looking for the tower labeled after the most prodiminet leaders of the Cam. Ventrue tower.... Hmmmm could vampires own this building?
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Not only that, but any hunter who knows the name "Clan Ventrue" prolly only does so because the vampire said "When you get to hell, tell them William Bluntly of Clan Ventrue sent you" as he held aloft the still bleeding hunter head with just enough blood left in the brain to power the eyes and ears for those last few second before all goes black...
I'm sorry, I got carried away with my love of severed heads again.
I'm sorry, I got carried away with my love of severed heads again.
I was Diablorised once. I got better.
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I've seen forums go awry with too many topics going off-topic. To guide the members, and encourage them to stay on-topic, is a prudent thing to do.
Remember, Stilgar became moderator for a reason. The gamebanshee forums is one of the most friendly communities I've been to, and I am yet to see a moderator which I didn't think deserve his status.
So, please refrain from such comments to the moderators in the future, I don't say that moderators always are right, they are probably often wrong, as are all humans. But in this particiular case I agree, off-topic discussions should be kept to an absolute minimum.
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I've seen forums go awry with too many topics going off-topic. To guide the members, and encourage them to stay on-topic, is a prudent thing to do.
Remember, Stilgar became moderator for a reason. The gamebanshee forums is one of the most friendly communities I've been to, and I am yet to see a moderator which I didn't think deserve his status.
So, please refrain from such comments to the moderators in the future, I don't say that moderators always are right, they are probably often wrong, as are all humans. But in this particiular case I agree, off-topic discussions should be kept to an absolute minimum.
<worksoufy> man i need to eat
<Trak3r> that's "yoda" speak for "i need to eat a man"
<Trak3r> that's "yoda" speak for "i need to eat a man"
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Reason #1: LaCroix is a Ventrue. They call the Toreador the ego-strokers, but there's not a Ventrue worth his blood salinity who doesn't want the biggest, fanciest haven in all the land.
Reason #2: You might have to invite the possibility that the hunter section in question doesn't know how to spell Clan Ventrue, on the grace that they have no idea of "Clan Ventrue" means. Ever hear of the Masquerade? You know, that whole propoganda campaign meant to keep mortals in the dark about the true intricacy of vampiric society? As far as the Church knows, they're spawns of Satan. Nothing else.
What I found all the more strange with LaCroix is that fact that this vampire who has to be no older than 260 years old got to become a Prince. Remember what Damsel said about Elders? Remember what Strauss called LaCroix? Decidely odd that relatively young vampires like LaCroix and even Alistair Grout rank as Prince and Primogen, positions accorded to vampires easily twice their age.
Reason #2: You might have to invite the possibility that the hunter section in question doesn't know how to spell Clan Ventrue, on the grace that they have no idea of "Clan Ventrue" means. Ever hear of the Masquerade? You know, that whole propoganda campaign meant to keep mortals in the dark about the true intricacy of vampiric society? As far as the Church knows, they're spawns of Satan. Nothing else.
What I found all the more strange with LaCroix is that fact that this vampire who has to be no older than 260 years old got to become a Prince. Remember what Damsel said about Elders? Remember what Strauss called LaCroix? Decidely odd that relatively young vampires like LaCroix and even Alistair Grout rank as Prince and Primogen, positions accorded to vampires easily twice their age.
The Prince of any city isn't and rarely the Oldest kindred in the story, normaly it's the younger ones who have manipulated enough people to get to the top. New York's prince for example is 224 years old and is only a 9th generation nosferatu, or in Boston, Quentin King, is 229 years old, 8th generation (through diablerie) so as you can tell it doesn't matter the clan nor the age, to overthrough a prince all you need is the backing of the primogen then to win in a battle of final death.
Now in the case of LA, the camarilla invaded probally headed by lacroix himself and that's why he is (was) in charge now that everything has gone back to normal no big deal.
Now in the case of LA, the camarilla invaded probally headed by lacroix himself and that's why he is (was) in charge now that everything has gone back to normal no big deal.
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Well, so that people aren't confused.. Despite whats been said:
Yes: The prince is, nine times out of ten, the most powerful vampire in a city. The position of prince is held by having the Primogen (the other most powerful vampires in the city) on your side, and having the personal power and infulence to hold the position against those who try and take it.
Yes: Overthrowing a prince is a VERY big deal, and you need a LOT of moxy, cunning, subterfuge and the ability to get the primogen onside without them double crossing you. Tough ask. Then you need to out influence, out think, out wit and out fight one of the strongest, most well established Vampires in the city. Sure, you might be a Brujah with potence 5 and he might not have any physical powers at all.. But if he finds out you want to be prince, you'll still have your haven demolished and turned into a parking lot while your still inside asleep.
Remember, it's against Cammerilla laws to kill another Cammerilla kindred, so you can't just Waltz up to the prince and cut off his head without writting off your own unlife, you need other people to back your decission and the Cammerilla to be willing to turn a blind eye to your actions.. Usualy this means proving you would be a better prince and better for the city, and that the old prince was in some VERY drastic way, flawed. Dealing with KoE is always a good start!!
No: The prince isn't always the oldest, just the one the oldest back. And if most of the oldest vampires back him/her, he/she MIGHT AS WELL be the oldest.
No: Things don't just "Go back to normal" if you kill a Cammerilla Prince. Anybody who has been officaly sanctioned by the Cammerilla to take control of a city is an important person.. Not so important in the grande scheme of things, but important enough that you can't just kill one, declare your city "free man" and live it large. Chances are that killing a Prince will draw the attention of Archons and Justicars.. The kind of Kindred who are sanctioned by the Cammerilla to destory entier populations of Kindred in a city and are quite capable of doing so with a casual, airy gesture.
Even for the Anarchs, who live on borrowed, Cammerilla time... Killing a prince isn't high on the list of things to do. Getting him kicked out? Showing him your in charge? Having his own flunkies kill him? Thats all fine and well, but the last thing they need is to have a smal troupe of Cammerilla enforcers walking in and saying "Thats it, you guys pushed your luck. This is Cammerilla turf now, and everyone who just thought to themselves 'oh yeah' is already dead".. Icky business.
Yes: The prince is, nine times out of ten, the most powerful vampire in a city. The position of prince is held by having the Primogen (the other most powerful vampires in the city) on your side, and having the personal power and infulence to hold the position against those who try and take it.
Yes: Overthrowing a prince is a VERY big deal, and you need a LOT of moxy, cunning, subterfuge and the ability to get the primogen onside without them double crossing you. Tough ask. Then you need to out influence, out think, out wit and out fight one of the strongest, most well established Vampires in the city. Sure, you might be a Brujah with potence 5 and he might not have any physical powers at all.. But if he finds out you want to be prince, you'll still have your haven demolished and turned into a parking lot while your still inside asleep.
Remember, it's against Cammerilla laws to kill another Cammerilla kindred, so you can't just Waltz up to the prince and cut off his head without writting off your own unlife, you need other people to back your decission and the Cammerilla to be willing to turn a blind eye to your actions.. Usualy this means proving you would be a better prince and better for the city, and that the old prince was in some VERY drastic way, flawed. Dealing with KoE is always a good start!!
No: The prince isn't always the oldest, just the one the oldest back. And if most of the oldest vampires back him/her, he/she MIGHT AS WELL be the oldest.
No: Things don't just "Go back to normal" if you kill a Cammerilla Prince. Anybody who has been officaly sanctioned by the Cammerilla to take control of a city is an important person.. Not so important in the grande scheme of things, but important enough that you can't just kill one, declare your city "free man" and live it large. Chances are that killing a Prince will draw the attention of Archons and Justicars.. The kind of Kindred who are sanctioned by the Cammerilla to destory entier populations of Kindred in a city and are quite capable of doing so with a casual, airy gesture.
Even for the Anarchs, who live on borrowed, Cammerilla time... Killing a prince isn't high on the list of things to do. Getting him kicked out? Showing him your in charge? Having his own flunkies kill him? Thats all fine and well, but the last thing they need is to have a smal troupe of Cammerilla enforcers walking in and saying "Thats it, you guys pushed your luck. This is Cammerilla turf now, and everyone who just thought to themselves 'oh yeah' is already dead".. Icky business.
I was Diablorised once. I got better.