This is digusting

[CM]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4226497.stm

I am shocked that such things are possible in this day and age. The only other time i have heard of such a government policy in the past 100 years was during world war 2. Its ironic, the very race that was subjugated to such crimes against humanity is now the one responsible for them.

I am utterly disgusted with the human race.

If you don't my comparision with Hitler and his nazis, well ask consider the fact - am i wrong in my comparision.

[Demortis]

well to tell the truth. humanity will never be at peace. war will happen, appressered shall become the appressers. its a vicious cycle that will never stop till humanity is gone. but i dont see that happening in the near future. people may talk about wanting to change the world, and that it takes one person to start a trend. but it will not happen humans let into their baser emotions more then they want.

[dragon wench]

Ironic indeed....

ugh.. once more humanity shows itself to be the shining example of justice that it is

[Magrus]

Religious hatred strike again... I'm not at all surprised to be honest. I mean really, when have those two groups NOT been bickering, arguing, or at each others throats and fighting? It's idiocy across the board with more than a few large groups of humans lately.

[Ekental]

"The United States has expressed concern about Israel's decision to apply the 1950 Absentee Property Law after it was brought to light last month. "

Hehe... I like it when the US does that... We express "concern".

Anyways... to play the devils advocate what else happens when you have a stronger vs a weaker (militarily) group who hate each other? The stronger one wins nos?

[fable]

[QUOTE=Ekental]Anyways... to play the devils advocate what else happens when you have a stronger vs a weaker (militarily) group who hate each other? The stronger one wins nos?[/QUOTE]

Only if you give them all guns, a time limit, and tell them to kill one another. But if they're expected to arrange things in a manner that's socially sanctioned, they'll have to work out a solution which is acceptable to both sides, or risk what we've seen (for different reasons) in North Ireland, and in Israel.

[oozae]

Are you saying either have full control of the land or if you hold only a small bit like the Israeli's let the others who have the majority of land have that little bit?

[Macleod1701]

Does anyone one else view the vast majority of governments and religious groups as squabbling children? "I saw it first! No it's mine! I'll tell! They started it!" It's absolutely pathetic, GROW THE HELL UP! Either shoot the lot of them and make the world a lot more spacious (Oooo wait facism....maybe not then) or just let normal people rise up and take over the world!

[Locke Da'averan]

well one thing i don't understand is why the hell fight for something like religion? but that's just me, i know that in the far east and many other countries religion is one of the most important things there is, but i can't think of anything more stupid IMO but again, that's just me..

@Macleod: indeed, but killing those who would wage war against others is not enough since others will simply take their place until there is no-one left..

[CM]

What i find interesting is the common trait in the posts(ofcourse not adding fable to this list) "oh it is happening, i guess it is bad, but hey c'est la vie".

[Magrus]

@CM, I'm not quite sure how else I should be expected to respond. If someones gone and taken all of that land, and the government was serious about being against it, they would have jailed those involved, and returned the land and compensated the owners for damages. I didn't see anything like that in the article. It's simply two groups going back and forth for years and years on end and this being another example of it. It gets old, I mean really. They couldn't just work out something mutually beneficial? My neighbors used to steal my stuff that I left in the yard and I'd chase them down, bruise them and after two or three times of that we worked it out that it wasn't going to happen again and got along better.

It's immaturity, stupidity and ignorance all rolled together. They should all just grow up, both sides. If they're still fighting just because they both want control over the area, why not just merge the two groups and vote on things together and both own it? I don't think thats the reason anymore, it's just deep buried hate and frustrations. If they aren't willing to be mature enough to truly work things out, well, then it's not going to be fixed until one group kills the other off as said above. Obviously there are people on both sides who don't want a peaceful existance with the other side with all the attempts to create peace. They get ruined repeatedly. What they need to do is just lock everyone away involved, anytime a situation like this comes up. If a group on the Israeli side starts something, their government should toss them in prison and quell it on their own and eventually, people will end up finding it not worth it being stuck in jail for life to start anything anymore. The flip side of that works as well. Having your own government crush such acts is a far better response than the group these people hate attempting to do so.

[Dottie]

[QUOTE=Locke Da'averan]well one thing i don't understand is why the hell fight for something like religion? but that's just me, i know that in the far east and many other countries religion is one of the most important things there is, but i can't think of anything more stupid IMO but again, that's just me..[/QUOTE]

The occupation of the palestine territories is not primarily about religion but about natural resources. It is done in the name of religion ofcourse but israel would not have any interest in exploiting the region if there were no water there.

@Magrus: The conflict is deeper than just mutual hate, and more complex than two powers trying to control the same land. I suggest you read up a bit on it before suggesting solutions.

[Magrus]

It all started as a religous thing, which I stated in a post above earlier.

[QUOTE=Magrus]Religious hatred strike again... I'm not at all surprised to be honest. I mean really, when have those two groups NOT been bickering, arguing, or at each others throats and fighting? It's idiocy across the board with more than a few large groups of humans lately.[/QUOTE]

Regardless of the reasons behind it now, its helping no one and hurting many and has been since long before I was born. That, to me is stupidity and ignorance. If it was just about resources, well killing off each other and instigating more aggression through actions such as this one isn't doing anything to better anyone. A comprimise of some sort would seem to benefit both in any instance, perhaps not as much as either side wants, but it's better than where they are at now.

[InfiniteNature]

I think the problem is that quite simply there is no final arbiter, no parent to tell them something's wrong, other things right, in then end people create their own worlds and in them they are always right and everybody else is always wrong.

I think the reason why it goes on and on is because you really can never have a impartial nation or power, so the end result is people do what they want except when it is defined by someone else who also does what they want but is stronger.

Of course the silliest part of it all is that nobody really sees the pattern, nobody really believes that they are the same, everbody honestly thinks they are unique in history and thus immune to whatever lesson should be learned.

I think the only real solution in that region is one annihalation through war of both sides, one side winning over another, or some greater power through force keeping peace in the region.

On further thought I think that there will have to be a great deal more blood on both sides before either is willing for peace, in history I think it follows a similar pattern, I think people don't really learn their lessons nicely but have to suffer a great deal before they really learn.

Peace usually comes after a great deal of suffering, and I am talking about a great deal more then is currently occurring in the region.

[Locke Da'averan]

[QUOTE=Dottie]The occupation of the palestine territories is not primarily about religion but about natural resources. It is done in the name of religion ofcourse but israel would not have any interest in exploiting the region if there were no water there.
[/QUOTE]

well you are right since i haven't studied about it much since to me the only solution not involving the decimation of homo sapiens as species from the earth, is the utter eradication of either or both of those groups.. not saying it should be done, but seriously they're never going to talk about it..

quite frankly if i put it down like this: there's lot what i don't know about the whole israel vs. palestinian thing, but one thing man has always done is settle their disputes through war, so why has it not come to that in this case? i mean it's practically a miracle it hasn't been settled by the eradication of either side..
ppl pretend that there's a peaceful solution or smth but there's those old coot's who can't have their 50years old bickery thrown away since that would simply take away the meaning of their already pointless lives or smth like that.

[Dottie]

[QUOTE=Magrus]It all started as a religous thing, which I stated in a post above earlier.[/QUOTE]

How do you mean? It started with the UK Balfour Declaration and later failed policies from the UN. Before that some jews had been living alongside muslims for quite some time without too much trouble.

[QUOTE=Magrus]Regardless of the reasons behind it now, its helping no one and hurting many and has been since long before I was born. That, to me is stupidity and ignorance. If it was just about resources, well killing off each other and instigating more aggression through actions such as this one isn't doing anything to better anyone. A comprimise of some sort would seem to benefit both in any instance, perhaps not as much as either side wants, but it's better than where they are at now.[/QUOTE]

I fully agree that the conflict is very bad, and that it is fuled by reasons that is not rational, like hate. But I do not agree that it is only a religious conflict with a solution as simple as then one you suggest.

[dragon wench]

[QUOTE=CM]What i find interesting is the common trait in the posts(ofcourse not adding fable to this list) "oh it is happening, i guess it is bad, but hey c'est la vie".[/QUOTE] I don't think this is owing to any lack of concern. I think it is more the case that the situation in the Middle East has been such a constant for as long as anybody can remember and owing to all of the complexities and longstanding history it seems so utterly insoluble, so when news comes up on the subject there is a tendency to sigh deeply and say, "Again." The French expression comes to mind, "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose." (rough translation: the more it changes the more it remains the same).

I'm not saying this is justified, apathy is always dangerous, but I suspect it may explain some of the reaction.

[Magrus]

I mean that the whole situation which created hostility between the two groups was a religious based situation. This is just a continuation of it. If that hatred wasn't there, wouldn't they be cooperating rather than resorting to such actions? There is a motivating factor behind every action taken, along with a reason for those motivating factors. If my neighbor owned something I wanted, I would discuss a solution to me having what he wanted with him. Not wait until he was gone and tear apart his house and take it. This would only occur if I truly hated this person and had a reason to believe my actions were justified.

Whether or not the direct, immediate reasoning was resources, there has to be an underlying factor that led to such an action being taken rather than a peaceful one.