dead people standing up again...?

robot flux · Post by **robot flux** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:33 am

So, everytime I kill some1 and take his loot, the guy automatically stands up. He is dead, the game treats him as dead but he is standing up, which is pretty annoying. But if I e.g. go in a house and get out again, the body is THEN actually DEAD.

So what seems to be the problem here? I believe it is a mod I have installed and thru taht mod all the people act in this strange manner but I don't know for certain which 1 it is...

Could any1 help me with this problem?

Wrath-Of-Egg · Post by **Wrath-Of-Egg** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:51 am

When this proplem started? If you could remember that perhaps you could remember what plugin you use.

Then perhaps you should ''unenable'' and try if there is some change.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 7:54 am

[QUOTE=robot flux]So, everytime I kill some1 and take his loot, the guy automatically stands up. He is dead, the game treats him as dead but he is standing up, which is pretty annoying. But if I e.g. go in a house and get out again, the body is THEN actually DEAD.
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Can you list the mods you're running? It might help us figure out the problem.

EDIT: Should have pointed out that an easy way to do this is to post the list of mod ESP/ESM files at the tail end of your Morrowind.ini file.

robot flux · Post by **robot flux** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:09 am

here we go.

GameFile0=Bloodmoon.esm
GameFile1=Morrowind.esm
GameFile2=Tribunal.esm
GameFile3=Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
GameFile4=Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
GameFile5=Better Heads.esm
GameFile6=Assassins Armory.esm
GameFile7=GIANTS.esm
GameFile8=Better Bodies.esp

this maybe?
GameFile9=SilentCharGen.esp
GameFile10=npcreplace3_0.esp
GameFile11=Apologies.esp
GameFile12=newarrows.esp
GameFile13=newarrows - crossbow realism.esp
GameFile14=AreaEffectArrows.esp
GameFile15=Assassins Armory - Arrows.esp
GameFile16=Assassins Armory - Bolt Rifles.esp
GameFile17=Assassins Armory - No Scripts.esp
GameFile18=bcsounds.esp
GameFile19=AtmosphericSoundEffects-1.2-NonTrib.esp
GameFile20=AtmosphericSoundEffects-1.2-Trib.esp
GameFile21=AtmosphericSoundEffects-2.0-NonTribunal.esp
GameFile22=AtmosphericSoundEffects-2.0-Tribunal.esp
GameFile23=adamantiumarmor.esp
GameFile24=LeFemmArmor.esp
GameFile25=AV_female_armor.esp
GameFile26=AV_fem_armor_Trib.esp
GameFile27=Persuasion Response Expansion v3.esp
GameFile28=RealSignposts.esp
GameFile29=All Silt Strider Ports.esp
GameFile30=All Boat Ports.esp
GameFile31=Cloak Collection.esp
GameFile32=Cloak of Three.esp
GameFile33=daedric_priest.esp
GameFile34=Daedric_Priestess_DELF_v0.1.0NT.esp
GameFile35=Dagoth Ur Voice Addon v1.0.esp
GameFile36=Clean Make-up & Tats.esp
GameFile37=Don Salus Faces III.esp
GameFile38=EBQ_Artifact.esp
GameFile39=FEMALE_INDORIL_HELM_V0.1.esp
GameFile40=Fair Magicka Regen (Fourth Percent).esp
GameFile41=Hair_Pack_II.esp
GameFile42=Herbalismv1.1.esp
GameFile43=GIANTS Ultimate Control file.esp
GameFile44=dodging11.esp
GameFile45=HTH.esp
GameFile46=Clean jet_gold_armor.esp
GameFile47=Clean Jet_goldNT.esp
GameFile48=KeyNamer.esp
GameFile49=Clean Kynareth.esp
GameFile50=MORROW-RAVENS 2 (Bloodmoon Req.).esp
GameFile51=LadyCBirthsigns.esp
GameFile52=momoney.esp
GameFile53=AragonMonk-v10.esp
GameFile54=More trees and foliage autumn v1-1.esp
GameFile55=My Mournhold Manor.esp
GameFile56=Your Balmora Residence.esp
GameFile57=Ninja Outfits.esp
GameFile58=Clean Ninja Outfits Add-On.esp
GameFile59=mudcrab_door.esp
GameFile60=Questfix-1.2.esp
GameFile61=Scimitars.esp
GameFile62=seyda_neen_boat.esp
GameFile63=LBS_Heavy v1.3.1(trib).esp
GameFile64=Passive_Healthy_Wildlife.esp
GameFile65=Clean SneakAndStunBeta.esp
GameFile66=The regulars - Sitting NPC's v2.02.esp
GameFile67=Sris_Alchemy_BM.esp
GameFile68=Vampire_Embrace.esp
GameFile69=Vivec Signposts.esp
GameFile70=Woodman's Female Celeb Heads 01.esp
GameFile71=Leias_Dual_Wield_03.esp

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 9:32 am

Not Better Bodies, no. That only affects the appearance of body forms. It's strictly meshes and textures.

I've heard complaints about Giants. You may want to remove those two files.

I don't think you should be running ASE for both Tribunal and non-Tribunal. Check the readme file it came with, but I'm fairly sure you're supposed to run one, or the other. Check whether you should be running 1.0 and 2.0, or just the latter. These won't affect the problem, but correcting this should make your game run smoother and faster.

Most of the ones I recognize (and I recognize most of what you've got) shouldn't be causing problems. I would suggest downloading the TES Plugin Detector. This allows you to compare all your mods to one another, to see if there are any conflicts among 'em. It notes each one. Most conflicts cause no problems, but some (especially area conflicts) are more problematic.

Does this issue happen all the time, or is it localized? In other words, does it only happen when you're in Balmora (just as an example), but not in Seyda Neen? And does it happen outside, or only inside buildings? I'm trying to narrow down possible culprits, here.

Wrath-Of-Egg · Post by **Wrath-Of-Egg** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:40 am

I would most likely to see picture from that matter.

robot flux · Post by **robot flux** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:16 pm

Ok, here's the deal:

1)People seem to lack clothing i.e. underwear/bra. The female people (for example in the House of Earthly Delights in Suran) are all BUTTNAKED.

2)When I got the "assassination" attempt, I looted the guy. Suddenly he guy is buttnaked in front of me...doing nothing besides being dead. I can walk thru him and "loot" him again. And this happens to every single monster/person I kill and afterwards loot. Even if I take a Scrib Jelly from a critter, it'll just pop up "standing". And this happens everywhere I go. And as soon as I enter a place that requires a "loading scene i.e. any shop for instance" and then leave the shop, the guy/critter that was standing is now lying and dead, as he/it is supposed to be.

I will send you pictures about this, but I'm at my gf's place now so when I'm at my friend's place again, I'll take a few screenshots to show you what I mean..

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Feb 04, 2005 3:48 pm

What's the HTH.ESP for? That's one I don't recognize.

It just might be Better Bodies, at that, though I suspect the problem really lies in a script for another mod which is somehow allergic to BB. For what it's worth, I suggest removing BB, then doing a clean save-and-load. Then seeing if the problem occurs, again.

To do a clean save-and-load, uncheck the mod before running the game. Load the game, then move to a new area (one that requires file loading). Then save the game, and reload the file you just saved. That will clear out all traces of the previous ESPs you unchecked.

robot flux · Post by **robot flux** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 3:12 am

HTH = Hand To Hand, it's a monk-mod.

I suspect that the BB -mod has caused the glitch. B/c I've had GIANTS for a while and nothing like that has happened but then...it must be BB, for what I know.

Well I try that trick and see what'll happen...

I will keep you informed.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Feb 05, 2005 8:02 am

Thing is, a mod can behave perfectly well on its own, but take strong exception to another mod, or a range of mods. That's why I mentioned TES Plugin Detector. It's very good at catching conflicts between area mods, and it sometimes finds strange conflicts that look ridiculous but actually solve more complex problems.

...And you did check the readmes for the sound mods, I hope? Because running two or more ESPs for a mod that only requires one can have very unpredictable effects on your game. As in, affecting anything in it adversely.

robot flux · Post by **robot flux** » Sun Feb 06, 2005 8:49 am

Case closed, every1. In fact, it WAS the HTH.esp after all! So I have it removed now (I'm not even playing a monk so who cares

)

But thnX aaanyways.