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Monk vs Kensai/Mage vs Sorcerer

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Originally posted by JoeBl@ck:
<STRONG>i lost terribly man!!!

My conclusion is ....
Monks are great for single player soloing
Monk's sux versus powerful dual classes.

Tomorrow i am having another match me versus the same sorcerer 1 vs 1. he hurled insults at me and called me a weakling. i have to win tommorrow .... Bhaal bless me!</STRONG>
You mean you aren't going to describe the gory details of the fight! :( :(
I know you probably don't want to open old wounds, but at least give us a quick run down. Did you use a wand of cloudkill BTW?
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Tell us come on, don't leave us hanging.
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Originally posted by JoeBl@ck:
<STRONG>i lost terribly man!!!

My conclusion is ....
Monks are great for single player soloing
Monk's sux versus powerful dual classes.

Tomorrow i am having another match me versus the same sorcerer 1 vs 1. he hurled insults at me and called me a weakling. i have to win tommorrow .... Bhaal bless me!</STRONG>
Doh, I had hoped that they are newbies who just used K/M because they hear how strong the class combo is, it's very easy to mess up playing a caster in the heat of the moment and getting pummeled by your monk, guess they aren't newbies.

Can you describe the fight? It would be fun to read and everyone will probably learn something. :)
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@JB..Come on that is six people so far who want the tragic details. Did you remember that monks can use all the wands in the game?
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correction thats 7 ppl :D
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8 people ;)
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#Bump#
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This may be a silly question but why would the kensai/mage beat the sorcerer? The above posted basically say that the fighting ability of the monk are nothing against the magic of a maxed out mage. And the sorcerer has 1 extra spel for levels 1 to 8 and two extra level 9 spells. It seems to me that the first time stop should win. Let me know if I'm wrong as I'm sure you'll all do.
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What happened and what equipment were you using?
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I played a sorceror protaganist in Shadows of Amn and TOb. Whoever cases timestop first may not necessarily win because both spellcasters would probably have the staff of the magi activated to absorb 30 spell levels of spells (=4 level 9 spells to cancel this protection) before the protection wears off. Then they would both probably have the cloak of mirroring to deflect damages from spells.
The sorceror may have imprisonment as his choice for a level 9 spell while the mage may find the imprisonment scroll to scribe in his book from tob.
The Kensai mage and the sorceror if they both plan well should be pretty equal. The Kensai may fight much better, but the sorceror should have more spells. I would imagine that there would be spell dual in the begininng between the two that may cancel each other out, The sorceror may have some gate or use tensors transformation to improve his fighting ability. He would definitely have contingencies in place to protect against magical weapons from both the monk and kensai mage. There are many factors...I guess whoever plans the best and use the best strategy knowing the strengths and weaknesses of themselves and their opponents will win. Also luck and the environment may be factors.
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Also there are scrolls that may be used so as a sorceror I would stack up on poweful scrolls ( have couple of scrolls that would absorb 30 levels of spells each and imrpove alacrity) Not to mention tons of super healing potions stored in a potion case. etc...it could be a long battle...
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*starts the chant* gory details... gory details... gory details
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Hmm maybe the kensai mage then may switch to a nonmagical weapon to attack the sorceror if the sorceror has protection from magical weapons in place. I'm sure the sorceror may be able to plan for that if that occurs. I just can't think of how at this time since you can't have both protection from magical and normal weapons in place at the same time. perhaps stoneskins will hold the attacks off for awhile.
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Nothing is preventing the k/m from having grandmastery in weapons and using staff of magi/staff of ram/regular quarterstaff, and smackin the crap out of the sorcerer. Switch as applicable. Put SoM and SoR in quickslots, and go invis as needed to avoid targetted spells and when the sorcerer protections come down smack him across the screen :)

Or he could use something like Celestial Fury and keep the sorcerer in stun lock. No matter how high of a level you are, you will always have horrible saves and it gets doubly dangerous with greater malison. I would also like to point out that the stun effect of celestial fury works independent of damage, so just whack away doing no damage, but secure in the fact that he won't either. Oh yes, the monk.

The monk's stunning fist is in my experience, weaker than the CF. First, it only lasts 6 seconds. Second, it's downright annoying (and deadly) to keep hitting that special abilities button. If you try to use the katana of doom, your attacks drop to 1. No, I think any smart PvPer will try to take out the monk first. No telling when an unexpected QP will take you out. After that, just whip out the Celestial Fury, and get to business.
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Originally posted by jju_57:
<STRONG>This may be a silly question but why would the kensai/mage beat the sorcerer? The above posted basically say that the fighting ability of the monk are nothing against the magic of a maxed out mage. And the sorcerer has 1 extra spel for levels 1 to 8 and two extra level 9 spells. It seems to me that the first time stop should win. Let me know if I'm wrong as I'm sure you'll all do.</STRONG>
K/M would beat that Sorc in a totally equal environment simply because he has more options. However, since no players can have exactly equal skill as another, whoever is the more skillful wins when you have competition between similarly strong characters.

Monk has no chance because he is another league below K/M and Sorc, depend on the player-skill differences, sometimes it's not enough to overcome the class differences.
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Gory details please..what is that, 9 or 10?

Most everything in the game was child's play for my solo K/M before he left for the Asylum, and because I played him as a Kensai who used his magic for protection (and not offense)he rarely casts any offensive spells other than Melf's Minute Meteors (awesome spells at all levels!). He also uses a lot of hit and run tactics. Is there some rule that says you have to stand there and get hit? If I can see him, that monk doesn't get anywhere near me.
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Okay here is what happpened although everything happened so fast.

Start
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Sorcerer spell trigger -> Fire shield red, mislead, protection from magical weapons (I'm know i will be dead)

Kensai / Mage chain contigency -> mislead fireshield red, protection from magical weapins.
(I know i am double dead!)

Monk : i drink a potion of invisibilty. Although they can still see me i was hoping that they can't target me with spells.

Kensai/Mage and sorcerer cast time stop. And i ran away as far as i could!!!!!

Kensai / Mage finished first. Time Stop active. Kensai/Mage with boots of speed runs after me!!! Cast tensor's transformation!!!!
Attacks me! Cast another timestop after the a few hits i was left nearly 30% of my life.
Time stop ended with me dead on the floor. MANZ!!!!!!!
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SOOOOOO SAAAAAADDDDDD.... ;)
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tonight is the match between me and the sorcerer guy hope i win
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The sorceror may not necessarily lose to the kensai mage. The kensai mage may have more options when it comes to fighting with weapons but the kensai mage needs to memorize their spells beforehand ( so have to pick carefully) while the sorceror should have more spells and is more versatile when it comes to casting spells. sorceror may case any combination for their limit on spells that they know. So if they have 3 level nine spells, with choices between time stop, improved alacrity, Dragon's breath, etc. They may choose to cast all three of the same spell or a combination of each depending on combat situation. That was why I played a sorceror for my protaganist, because I found that I want more versatility when it comes to spell selection during battles, without having to rest every time to prepare spells. again I think it depends on who plans better, when it comes to the match between a sorceror and a kensai mage.
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