Keeping yourself happy (spam light and on topic)
Keeping yourself happy (spam light and on topic)
Everybody want to be happy and satisfied with life. Even though some people lead very self destructive lives, nobody really would prefer a life full of suffering and unhappiness before a happy and fulfilling life. Still, in our futile little human lives, few things seems to be as difficult as keeping ourselves happy although most of us here at SYM have all the necessary opportunities to do it.
Why is this do you think? Why do people in general have so many problems? (I am not talking about people who starve to death in India or Sudan now, I am talking about us socioeconomically priviledged people who have all the opportunities to live extremly good lives in a manner we choose ourselves)
What do you do to keep yourself happy? What do you do to change your mood if you are not happy?
Post your advice and your experiences!
Why is this do you think? Why do people in general have so many problems? (I am not talking about people who starve to death in India or Sudan now, I am talking about us socioeconomically priviledged people who have all the opportunities to live extremly good lives in a manner we choose ourselves)
What do you do to keep yourself happy? What do you do to change your mood if you are not happy?
Post your advice and your experiences!
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I think you've identified two different concepts, CE, at least as English speakers would understand them. Happiness implies a condition very different from contentment ("satisfied with life"). The former is often associated with bursts of pleasure. I suspect happiness is an inherently unstable condition; like other intense emotions, it lives in the moment. Contentment is something else.
In the US and Europe, happiness is associated with acquiring material goods. You acquire a mate, children, a house, cars, digital phones, computers, religion, entertainment systems, gifts (spurred on by invented holidays), friends, presents, more presents, still more presents, etc. Each of these events when they occur cause momentary satiation, before you notice another goal on the horizion to seek. Thus life becomes a seeking after happiness, a temporal movement forward, rather than contentment, which derives from understanding. Contentment isn't commercial; you can sell items that supposedly help achieve contentment, but that's the whole happiness gig dressed up as something else.
Perhaps some of these problems people have with being displeased with their lives derives from the fact that modern society tells them they should be happy through doing things that society feels makes one happy. These are typically hollow, since purchasing/acquiring items doesn't foster relationships with anything; and it's our relationships with individuals and the world around us that in part gives our lives meaning. There's nothing wrong with wanting a new, expensive toy, and the enjoyment one gets out of it is very real. But in a month that toy is old, there's a new one out there, and we're told we should trade our old toys in. This is a philosophy in which the circle of relationships has been replaced by the circle of chasing after a pot of gold, which always vanishes once you grasp it. It is an exercise in futility and frustration. It explains the relatively new but chronic and endemic phenomenon of the "credit card addict," the person who has bought into the cultural message to such an extent that their life becomes a ceaseless round of purchases beyond personal capability of repayment. This is a new vice. In the past, most people living beyond their means were con artists who were perfectly aware of what they were doing, and completely in control all the time. The credit card addict, on the other hand, is all too since in the pursuit of happiness.
I'll post more about other aspects of this later, when I have some more time. Interesting theme.
In the US and Europe, happiness is associated with acquiring material goods. You acquire a mate, children, a house, cars, digital phones, computers, religion, entertainment systems, gifts (spurred on by invented holidays), friends, presents, more presents, still more presents, etc. Each of these events when they occur cause momentary satiation, before you notice another goal on the horizion to seek. Thus life becomes a seeking after happiness, a temporal movement forward, rather than contentment, which derives from understanding. Contentment isn't commercial; you can sell items that supposedly help achieve contentment, but that's the whole happiness gig dressed up as something else.
Perhaps some of these problems people have with being displeased with their lives derives from the fact that modern society tells them they should be happy through doing things that society feels makes one happy. These are typically hollow, since purchasing/acquiring items doesn't foster relationships with anything; and it's our relationships with individuals and the world around us that in part gives our lives meaning. There's nothing wrong with wanting a new, expensive toy, and the enjoyment one gets out of it is very real. But in a month that toy is old, there's a new one out there, and we're told we should trade our old toys in. This is a philosophy in which the circle of relationships has been replaced by the circle of chasing after a pot of gold, which always vanishes once you grasp it. It is an exercise in futility and frustration. It explains the relatively new but chronic and endemic phenomenon of the "credit card addict," the person who has bought into the cultural message to such an extent that their life becomes a ceaseless round of purchases beyond personal capability of repayment. This is a new vice. In the past, most people living beyond their means were con artists who were perfectly aware of what they were doing, and completely in control all the time. The credit card addict, on the other hand, is all too since in the pursuit of happiness.
I'll post more about other aspects of this later, when I have some more time. Interesting theme.
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Aha, I see what you mean with the concept of happiness. In psychology, the word happiness is equivalent to subjective feelings of well-being, which is a different from life satisfaction, which deals with both values and emotions. So:
happiness = the emotional experience of well being
satisfaction = the value (more cognitive, opinion rather than emotion) that your life is good
Both are however stable conditions, or rather, they can be stable.
Transient bursts of positive emotions such as you describe is the common English speaking definition of happiness, is usually called euphoria in psychology, to denote that it is temporary, short lasting and not expected to be otherwise.
Perhaps one of the problem in modern Western society is that people focus too much on trying to make transient emotional states permanent?
happiness = the emotional experience of well being
satisfaction = the value (more cognitive, opinion rather than emotion) that your life is good
Both are however stable conditions, or rather, they can be stable.
Transient bursts of positive emotions such as you describe is the common English speaking definition of happiness, is usually called euphoria in psychology, to denote that it is temporary, short lasting and not expected to be otherwise.
Perhaps one of the problem in modern Western society is that people focus too much on trying to make transient emotional states permanent?
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I am not sure if this applies but i am happy with life. I am not satisfied with it though. I am basically unemployed, living with my family (not in my own place) and have no social circle to speak of in NYC. Thus i am not satisified with what my life is right now. I need to get off my butt so to speak.
However i am very much happy in life. I am finally close to family again. I am happy, safe and content.
I see the two as very different things. Happy is a state of mind more to do with your emotions as fable said. Satisfication is how you feel about your material or more realistic objectives and goals.
I am happy but i am not satisified.
However i am very much happy in life. I am finally close to family again. I am happy, safe and content.
I see the two as very different things. Happy is a state of mind more to do with your emotions as fable said. Satisfication is how you feel about your material or more realistic objectives and goals.
I am happy but i am not satisified.
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Happiness: What do I do to keep myself happy in the emotional core? Ok...
To mantain my happiness level or to regain happiness (since I have depression) I must mantain my counscious side looking constantly to what is good in life, in friendship or in love. When I can do that, nothing strikes me, or at least, I can live and deal with problems in a very good manner. So, I fight to do not get blind to the good things in my life.
I dont get satisfaction too, and that is sad. I always want more and more and more.
Regarding monetary value and buying my things, for example, it is different. I never really complained about my posessions, I have some cash, I never been on dificulties, but I could be, at this age, with some savings, wich I dont have, and with a better car, computer and other things that I like. I'm not happy with it, even though I wont complain. I have seen starvation, disgrace, so I'm not happy but I'm not sad about my monetary condition.
To mantain my happiness level or to regain happiness (since I have depression) I must mantain my counscious side looking constantly to what is good in life, in friendship or in love. When I can do that, nothing strikes me, or at least, I can live and deal with problems in a very good manner. So, I fight to do not get blind to the good things in my life.
I dont get satisfaction too, and that is sad. I always want more and more and more.
Regarding monetary value and buying my things, for example, it is different. I never really complained about my posessions, I have some cash, I never been on dificulties, but I could be, at this age, with some savings, wich I dont have, and with a better car, computer and other things that I like. I'm not happy with it, even though I wont complain. I have seen starvation, disgrace, so I'm not happy but I'm not sad about my monetary condition.
Flesh to stone ain't permanent, it seems.
some of the best words of advice i have ever received:
Don't make the mistake of thinking everythign has to be perfect for you to be happy.
that being said, i think people just like to complain...here's another saying from a friend in the Navy, "a b!tching sailor, is a happy sailor". if you ask someone how a particular day or event was, even if they had a great time/day, they will end it by saying, "but..." and then proceed to mention some little minutia that kept it from being perfect, but would definitely not qualify as ruining the day/event.
example: have a great day at an amusement park, everythign was perfect all day, the lines were short, all the rides were open, perfect weather, saw old friends, etc"...but I didn't get a good parking spot...but the food was kind of expensive...
people just love to complain...I think that a lot of people are brought up thinking that if you are too happy, then everythign will be ruined. This has been taught for AGES...
Don't make the mistake of thinking everythign has to be perfect for you to be happy.
that being said, i think people just like to complain...here's another saying from a friend in the Navy, "a b!tching sailor, is a happy sailor". if you ask someone how a particular day or event was, even if they had a great time/day, they will end it by saying, "but..." and then proceed to mention some little minutia that kept it from being perfect, but would definitely not qualify as ruining the day/event.
example: have a great day at an amusement park, everythign was perfect all day, the lines were short, all the rides were open, perfect weather, saw old friends, etc"...but I didn't get a good parking spot...but the food was kind of expensive...
people just love to complain...I think that a lot of people are brought up thinking that if you are too happy, then everythign will be ruined. This has been taught for AGES...
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Happiness...
What is Happiness, but an illusion made to keep us... well, happy.
I don't think it is possible to pick only one thing that can make us happy, that would be impossible. There is no such thing as the only thing a person wants that will make them happy. Happiness is accomplished when someone who longs for something gets what he wants. Now, the world today, in its current state, there aren't many people who could settle for one choice of happiness. People today are greedy, and will eventually get bored with what they picked (unless its there long lost parent or something).
Obviously someone could pick one thing and say it, but it will never be the only thing.
I'll state what I do to make myself happy, and that is play xbox (I'm a kid, what do you expect ) That's all I can think of right now, I'll state more when I remember them.
What is Happiness, but an illusion made to keep us... well, happy.
I don't think it is possible to pick only one thing that can make us happy, that would be impossible. There is no such thing as the only thing a person wants that will make them happy. Happiness is accomplished when someone who longs for something gets what he wants. Now, the world today, in its current state, there aren't many people who could settle for one choice of happiness. People today are greedy, and will eventually get bored with what they picked (unless its there long lost parent or something).
Obviously someone could pick one thing and say it, but it will never be the only thing.
I'll state what I do to make myself happy, and that is play xbox (I'm a kid, what do you expect ) That's all I can think of right now, I'll state more when I remember them.
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Well *sigh*,What I used to do when I was sad or depressed,To make myself happy again,I looked into my gf's eyes.They were always so raidiant,sleek,brilliant.They always symbolized hope in the future yet to come.I just took her away into our room,sat her down and just stare into her eye's.She'd usually smile and laugh,she always knew when to do it at the right time.
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some of the context you speak of is a bit complex to me so ill just answer the question "what do you do to keep yourself happy" "what do you do to change your mood if u aint happy" in a simple way
i simply tell jokes and talk utter nonsense, in a world of nonesense where superman and bugs bunny can live together, and where we worship the mail man and brynn, you can forget about all the stuff that makes you unhappy, you make a place where unhappy dont exsist.
normally the times im unhappy is when im alone, or bored, so i'll find a mate, jut go for a bike ride or talk, or complain or insult each other, wateva needs doing, and it cheers me up.
i simply tell jokes and talk utter nonsense, in a world of nonesense where superman and bugs bunny can live together, and where we worship the mail man and brynn, you can forget about all the stuff that makes you unhappy, you make a place where unhappy dont exsist.
normally the times im unhappy is when im alone, or bored, so i'll find a mate, jut go for a bike ride or talk, or complain or insult each other, wateva needs doing, and it cheers me up.
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I put the music on really loud, the music could be sad, full of energy, whatever. And I just walk really really fast, round and round the place while thinking about things, things that don't exist. I can do it for hours, just thinking of possibilities. I do it when I'm in a bored mood, sad mood, angry mood any kind of mood really.
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[QUOTE=C Elegans]Aha, I see what you mean with the concept of happiness. In psychology, the word happiness is equivalent to subjective feelings of well-being, which is a different from life satisfaction, which deals with both values and emotions. So:
happiness = the emotional experience of well being
satisfaction = the value (more cognitive, opinion rather than emotion) that your life is good
Both are however stable conditions, or rather, they can be stable.
Transient bursts of positive emotions such as you describe is the common English speaking definition of happiness, is usually called euphoria in psychology, to denote that it is temporary, short lasting and not expected to be otherwise.
Perhaps one of the problem in modern Western society is that people focus too much on trying to make transient emotional states permanent?[/QUOTE]
Not only in modern Western society. This need for euphoria, as you call it, has its roots in the European Renaissance. Consider Hobbes:
"The felicity of this life consisteth not in the repose of a mind satisfied. For there is no such Finis ultimus (utmost aim) nor Summum Bonum (greatest good) as is spoken of in the Books of the old moral philosophers. Nor can a man any more live, whose desires are at an end, than he, whose senses and imaginations are at a stand. Felicity is a continual progress of the desire, from one object to another; the attaining of the former, being still but the way to the latter. The cause whereof is, that the object of man's desire, is not to enjoy once only, and for one instant in time; but to assure forever, the way of his future desire."
Hobbes' use of the word "desire" would have been understood by his contemporaries to refer, not solely to bodily needs or intellectual curiosity, but to the hobgoblin of the neo-Stoics, and to desire as understood by the more extreme Protestant sects, such as the Calvinists and Puritans. In other words, it was desire inclusive, especially emotional craving. And the process he describes, one that involves 1) desire as goal, 2) achievement/satiation, 3) formulation of new desire, is the pattern of happiness-as-euphoria. There are many other, similar quotes from that period. They point to the intellectual curiosity and economic powerhouse that would alike fuel the European Renaissance, and developments that still persist, I think, into our current time.
What you describe as happiness leading to satisfaction (and what I've called contentment, above) is a very different condition that derives, not from the constant round of acquisition, but from contemplation of what one already has. Obviously, this satisfaction/contentment and euphoria don't exist in isolation from one another. As humans, we move through a spectrum of emotional reactions even within a given day, of various stages of contentment and euphoria; but we could make some broad assumptions about their interaction. I offer them for possible discussion, or just a nod:
1) The more a person seeks actively for euphoria, the less likely they are to feel satisfaction/contentment. A very content person is not likely to run regularly on the hamster wheel of euphoria.
2) Content people still have goals whose achievement yield transient states of euphoria. Very goal-oriented people will still experience moments of calmness and contentment.
That said, to what extent do you think that the individual needs in Maslow's Hierarchy (physiological, safety, love, esteem, self-actualization) provide euphoria, or contentment? Or are we looking here, do you think, at subjectively derived evaluations that could change depending upon circumstances and individuals?
happiness = the emotional experience of well being
satisfaction = the value (more cognitive, opinion rather than emotion) that your life is good
Both are however stable conditions, or rather, they can be stable.
Transient bursts of positive emotions such as you describe is the common English speaking definition of happiness, is usually called euphoria in psychology, to denote that it is temporary, short lasting and not expected to be otherwise.
Perhaps one of the problem in modern Western society is that people focus too much on trying to make transient emotional states permanent?[/QUOTE]
Not only in modern Western society. This need for euphoria, as you call it, has its roots in the European Renaissance. Consider Hobbes:
"The felicity of this life consisteth not in the repose of a mind satisfied. For there is no such Finis ultimus (utmost aim) nor Summum Bonum (greatest good) as is spoken of in the Books of the old moral philosophers. Nor can a man any more live, whose desires are at an end, than he, whose senses and imaginations are at a stand. Felicity is a continual progress of the desire, from one object to another; the attaining of the former, being still but the way to the latter. The cause whereof is, that the object of man's desire, is not to enjoy once only, and for one instant in time; but to assure forever, the way of his future desire."
Hobbes' use of the word "desire" would have been understood by his contemporaries to refer, not solely to bodily needs or intellectual curiosity, but to the hobgoblin of the neo-Stoics, and to desire as understood by the more extreme Protestant sects, such as the Calvinists and Puritans. In other words, it was desire inclusive, especially emotional craving. And the process he describes, one that involves 1) desire as goal, 2) achievement/satiation, 3) formulation of new desire, is the pattern of happiness-as-euphoria. There are many other, similar quotes from that period. They point to the intellectual curiosity and economic powerhouse that would alike fuel the European Renaissance, and developments that still persist, I think, into our current time.
What you describe as happiness leading to satisfaction (and what I've called contentment, above) is a very different condition that derives, not from the constant round of acquisition, but from contemplation of what one already has. Obviously, this satisfaction/contentment and euphoria don't exist in isolation from one another. As humans, we move through a spectrum of emotional reactions even within a given day, of various stages of contentment and euphoria; but we could make some broad assumptions about their interaction. I offer them for possible discussion, or just a nod:
1) The more a person seeks actively for euphoria, the less likely they are to feel satisfaction/contentment. A very content person is not likely to run regularly on the hamster wheel of euphoria.
2) Content people still have goals whose achievement yield transient states of euphoria. Very goal-oriented people will still experience moments of calmness and contentment.
That said, to what extent do you think that the individual needs in Maslow's Hierarchy (physiological, safety, love, esteem, self-actualization) provide euphoria, or contentment? Or are we looking here, do you think, at subjectively derived evaluations that could change depending upon circumstances and individuals?
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I'd follow Fable's distinction between 'euphoria' and 'contentment' - but I'd strongly disagree that I want to be contented or that I normally do anything to seek contentment...
Contentment is the state in which you don't owe your ex-girlfriends any money. You haven't told anybody any bad lies. Your friends trust you. In other words, you are internally secure, and there is no feeling of guilt or regret or fear of unfinished business returning to haunt. This type of thing is identified strongly with money in the states I believe, but is not necessarily so, and is not as much everywhere else.
I have no specific desire to reach this kind of state, no matter how good it sounds written down, because it has no value in itself, it's only useful extrinsically: being content allows you to live life more easily, but could anyone enjoy contenment on its own?
Euphoria is what you want, practically by definition. Moments when you're elated, and you love life or something more specific in life.
I seem to spend half my time deliberately trying to discontent myself, because the real kind of happiness - transient, momentary happiness often comes harder and faster out of a directionless or insecure situation IMO.
Long term planning for happiness is not something I can do or really see the sense in. As far as immediate happiness goes, I get it however I can, but there's no formula for cheering me up.
Contentment is the state in which you don't owe your ex-girlfriends any money. You haven't told anybody any bad lies. Your friends trust you. In other words, you are internally secure, and there is no feeling of guilt or regret or fear of unfinished business returning to haunt. This type of thing is identified strongly with money in the states I believe, but is not necessarily so, and is not as much everywhere else.
I have no specific desire to reach this kind of state, no matter how good it sounds written down, because it has no value in itself, it's only useful extrinsically: being content allows you to live life more easily, but could anyone enjoy contenment on its own?
Euphoria is what you want, practically by definition. Moments when you're elated, and you love life or something more specific in life.
I seem to spend half my time deliberately trying to discontent myself, because the real kind of happiness - transient, momentary happiness often comes harder and faster out of a directionless or insecure situation IMO.
Long term planning for happiness is not something I can do or really see the sense in. As far as immediate happiness goes, I get it however I can, but there's no formula for cheering me up.
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Interesting. Do you think the concept of "instant gratification" was enhanced during the Renaissance, or do you think it is part of human nature? Personally, I certainly think the need for short-term pleasure and the lack of ability to gain equal pleasure from long term goals is typical human nature, but I do think cultural circumstances can enhance or repress those needs (as any innate needs). If the Renaissance was a period where the need for euphoria was emphasised, perhaps became more accepted or more common, how and why do you think that happened?fable wrote:Not only in modern Western society. This need for euphoria, as you call it, has its roots in the European Renaissance. Consider Hobbes:
The obvious example of situation 1 would be addicts. Not only drug addicts, but people who are destructivly addicted to shopping, food, sex or what have you. The stimulus you are addicted to, provide you with something extraordinary, something you cannot get elsewhere in your life. Soon, you become physically and psychologically dependent of this stimulus, and you start feeling cravings and withdrawal symptoms when you don't have access to it. After a while it is often the freedom from unpleasant craving and withdrawal symptoms are what drives the addiction, rather than the search for a kick. At this point, the addict will become prone to increase the intake of the stimulus, add another stimuli or add another stimuli. The vicious circle of craving-relief-craving relief makes the person feel bad constantly when the wished stimulus is not available. Thus, contentment is low in between the brief rushes, and life is so dominated by searching relief rom craving so there is no time or energy left over for pursuing other goals.As humans, we move through a spectrum of emotional reactions even within a given day, of various stages of contentment and euphoria; but we could make some broad assumptions about their interaction. I offer them for possible discussion, or just a nod:
1) The more a person seeks actively for euphoria, the less likely they are to feel satisfaction/contentment. A very content person is not likely to run regularly on the hamster wheel of euphoria.
2) Content people still have goals whose achievement yield transient states of euphoria. Very goal-oriented people will still experience moments of calmness and contentment.
However, although all sorts of addictions are extremly common, not everybody is an addict or satisfye their need for happiness mainly by addiction. In many people, I am convinced there is no contradiction between pursuing euphoria and pursuing contentment.
I would actually think contentment and euphoria are interacting at a correlational level rather than contradictory - I think you more often see high contentment and high euphoria in the same invididual, and low contentment and low euphoria in the same individual.
First, let me just point out that Maslow's Hierarchy model has one fundamental flaw: later research has found out it should not be a hierarchy, but rather different groups. That said, I think the cathegories he identified are excellent as a model to describe the major areas of human life.That said, to what extent do you think that the individual needs in Maslow's Hierarchy (physiological, safety, love, esteem, self-actualization) provide euphoria, or contentment? Or are we looking here, do you think, at subjectively derived evaluations that could change depending upon circumstances and individuals?
Related to euphoria and contentment, I would say that all of the areas can provide both. Being physically healthy is something most healthy people take for granted, and thus it does not elicit euphoria in us every moment, but it should be part of our contentment. However, the moment we see a severly handicapped person in a wheelchair on the other side of the street, we may become intensely aware of our ability to move freely, and this can trigger a sudden sense of euphoria. Also, satisfaction of physiological needs such as sex or food often elicit euphoria in people who are deprived, ie in a state of need, whereas the mere physical sensation of a full stomach hardly triggers euphoria in us who eat 5 times a day.
I think novelty versus habituation is one of the keys to explaining why people experience eurphoria versus contentment, another I think is the relationship between perceived effort and perceived gain. A third key is the state of addiction in the terms I described it above.
Habituation transform many euphoria-eliciting phenomena into contentment. Habituation is simply the psychological and medical for getting used to something over time so that the response becomes weaker. This can be at cellular level or at an emotional level - if you let a person sit in a room reading, and then suddenly play a loud tone, the startle reflex will trigger, you can measure an electrochemical response from single cells and the person can describe they felt a special sensation. If you repeat this 5 times, already the 2nd time the response will be much smaller at all three levels (reflex, cellular response, persons' emotional experience). If you do it 20 times, there will hardly be a reaction at all anymore. This is learning.
So the large ability humans have to learn, also means we have a large ability to habituate. Euphoria is associated with surprise, feeling of something extraordinary, with high intensity and excitement. Thus, habitution to a stimuli will result our response changing from euphoria to contentment, or perhaps nothing depending on our ability to appreciate what is already there.
A common human pattern is that if people work hard for something and then reach a goal they really appreciate, we often feel both contentment and euphoria. High perceived effort and high perceived gain. However, even more common is that people feel euphoria when they have gained something without effort. Getting something for free, buying something extremely cheap, winning - all these are situations that many people believe would make them happy, and most are actually correct. Some also get an additional euphoria by the feeling that they have "fooled the system" etc, if they managed to get something for free that normally is associated with a cost.
So in summary, I basically think that the relationship between euphoria and contentment will be dependent on where on the scales novelty-habituation, addiction and cost-benefit a certain event will be for a certain individual. How much contradictiont there will be, will be dependent both on the addiction factor, and individual factors such as personality traits (for instance persistence, sensation-seeking) and cognitive traits such as abstraction level in thinking, ability to imagine the future, conseptualisation of time, etc.
Then you have these special states that popular psychology call "peak experiences" and states of "flow". "Peak experiences" are extraordinary intense positive experiences that may be euphoric, but they can also be experiences of harmony, perfection or tranquility. It's the intensity rather than the quality that is specific. "Flow" is a popular nonsense concept that nonetheless describe a phenomenon - an emotional style that results in high degree of contentment and high frequencey of "peak experiences" and euphoria - that is well known in psychology but there is not one catchy media-friendly term to it because it is a multifaceted phenomena. When I was at uni, my fellow psychologist students used to use me as the represenation of a typicall "flow" person, because I am chronically hyperthymic (chronically elevated level of mood) and very high frequency of euphoria (not surprising since I also have hypomanic episodes 1-2 times a year).
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I am not really sure exactly how to define contentment, but in psychology the more cognitive concept "life satisfaction" (as oppsed to euphoria, which is purely emotional and short term) is not merely abscence of disturbing elements, it includes also your feelings and opinions that your life is as you want it in all major areas, your achivements and goals being fulfilled to a degree you want, etc. Life satisfaction should include positive feelings towards things around you, not merely be convenient.frogus23 wrote:I have no specific desire to reach this kind of state, no matter how good it sounds written down, because it has no value in itself, it's only useful extrinsically: being content allows you to live life more easily, but could anyone enjoy contenment on its own?
Whereas the contrast is important for habituation reasons as I decribed above, you don't need to make yourself depressed to experience euphoria! You just need to do things that are totally out of the ordinary, qualitatively different from your everyday life and requires very high focus.I seem to spend half my time deliberately trying to discontent myself, because the real kind of happiness - transient, momentary happiness often comes harder and faster out of a directionless or insecure situation IMO.
Long term planning for happiness is not something I can do or really see the sense in. As far as immediate happiness goes, I get it however I can, but there's no formula for cheering me up.
Also, I disagree that you cannot plan long term for happiness. Whether you wish to do it or not is another thing, but just as some people (unwillingly) manage to plan their life for maximal change of repeated disasters and continuous unhappiness, one can also do a lot of things to increase the probability of happiness, contentment and many euphoric moments. It's the same as in science, when you plan for making serendipities. Everybody in science know that almost all great discoveries are made serendipitiously. Since the definition of serendipty is a discovery made by chance, without looking for that particular discovery, it sounds paradoxic - how do plan for the unplanned and random to happen?
I shall not exhaust with long detailed descriptions, but in summary, in both life and science, you do this by creating flexible systems that allow for a high degree of unexpected change, and you keep a high level of novelty in what you are doing. You set your goals in terms of abstract concepts, not concrete terms (how do I want to feel, instead of what do I want to do - what questions do we want to investigate instead of what knowledge do we want to gain) and you work backwards, starting with open trial and error. Then, like a detective, you collect a lot of data, assess them as you go and change your movements depending on what data tells you. Life as well as science is an exploratory activity, not a maintenance of what you already have.
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The difference between short term and long term happiness is something I've been pondering for quite some time now. My wife is an excellent case study. She lives a life constantly on the move, and that is what makes her happy. Almost 3 years ago, when our son was born, she tried to do the "normal" thing and settle down. She changed her nationality, we bought a house out in the countryside, she got herself a job in an office. It nearly killed both her and our marriage. A year later she had a complete breakdown, and we just had to face that despite our best efforts, she was miserable as heck and couldn't deal with it all. When her office re-located to Copenhagen it was do or die time for us.
Today she rents a shoebox pad over there for the minimal time she spends in the office, and has taken up the travelling lifestyle again. When she gets time off, she naturally comes here to be with the family, and our marriage is better than ever. It took some time for me to accept living as a mostly single dad, but as I've grown older my restless streak has become less prominent, and now I don't mind at all. In fact, I have something exciting to look forward to, waiting for her return. It's like falling in love all over again each time. So she spends her time crawling around places humans are not generally welcome, eating stuff humans haven't eaten for the past 10 000 years, creating art, and that makes her happy. When she returns to civilization she goes completely "Sex & The City" with extraordinary shopping sprees and ravenous bedside manners, and settles down for a month or so of living the life of the Lady Of The Manor. Then it's off again. There's no rhythm or routine to the entire thing, which keeps it fresh and all three of us really happy. Not content. Happy.
Me? These days I've kicked off most of the ridiculous notions of what happiness is, especially the short-term kind. It's all about finding a middle road. Getting tanked with the lads or cranking it up to 11 with my band, mixed with lying on the floor playing with Lego or just schnoozing with my son, trying some new recipe in the kitchen or leaning back in front of the fire with a book and a glass of grape while the rain hammers on the roof. It all adds up to what I call happiness. Routine is the killer.
Today she rents a shoebox pad over there for the minimal time she spends in the office, and has taken up the travelling lifestyle again. When she gets time off, she naturally comes here to be with the family, and our marriage is better than ever. It took some time for me to accept living as a mostly single dad, but as I've grown older my restless streak has become less prominent, and now I don't mind at all. In fact, I have something exciting to look forward to, waiting for her return. It's like falling in love all over again each time. So she spends her time crawling around places humans are not generally welcome, eating stuff humans haven't eaten for the past 10 000 years, creating art, and that makes her happy. When she returns to civilization she goes completely "Sex & The City" with extraordinary shopping sprees and ravenous bedside manners, and settles down for a month or so of living the life of the Lady Of The Manor. Then it's off again. There's no rhythm or routine to the entire thing, which keeps it fresh and all three of us really happy. Not content. Happy.
Me? These days I've kicked off most of the ridiculous notions of what happiness is, especially the short-term kind. It's all about finding a middle road. Getting tanked with the lads or cranking it up to 11 with my band, mixed with lying on the floor playing with Lego or just schnoozing with my son, trying some new recipe in the kitchen or leaning back in front of the fire with a book and a glass of grape while the rain hammers on the roof. It all adds up to what I call happiness. Routine is the killer.
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[QUOTE=C Elegans]Interesting. Do you think the concept of "instant gratification" was enhanced during the Renaissance, or do you think it is part of human nature? Personally, I certainly think the need for short-term pleasure and the lack of ability to gain equal pleasure from long term goals is typical human nature, but I do think cultural circumstances can enhance or repress those needs (as any innate needs). If the Renaissance was a period where the need for euphoria was emphasised, perhaps became more accepted or more common, how and why do you think that happened?[/quote]
A combination of the two: native inclination, and changes to the European cultural environment that came into play during the Renaissance. It's often forgotten that the period was far more than simply a bunch of bearded guys getting together and going, "Oh! Let's invent science!" Over a period of several hundred years, the entire cultural and intellectual landscape over a vast area shifted violently. The European Middle Ages was, whatever else can be said for or against it, a period of "perfect knowledge." That is, the universe was Aristotelian: all things that were meant to be known were known; the exact dimensions of the universe had been calculated, the purpose of all things were clear, and god's will (as dispensed through the medium of his wife, the Holy Church) was made plain.
That's not to say everybody tried to follow this plan. Humans will be human. But by and large, there was a sense within the culture of where everybody stood in relation to their neighbors, their family, their town/village, their government, their craft, their god. You could muck things up, but usually there were ways of making everything alright.
And then along came the Renaissance. Printing. In the 150 years or so that lapsed between its European application and the end of the 16th century, 28,000 works appeared. International correspondence networks and learned academies sprung up. The scientific method was discovered, research was employed to investigate the age and accuracy of religious claims, and rival churches began to appear. The vernacular took over from Latin. Travel abroad became quicker, cheaper and safer. A large middle class developed, and mercantile goods became common.
Suddenly, the straight path to god became a path for self-realization; and as you point out, the shortterm goals easily grab attention ahead of longterm ones. It suddenly became important to make oneself supremely happy, and let society go hang. The plays of the English stage are full of this: monstrous schemers, who can dissemble emotions and manipulate others perfectly, do whatever they like to get ahead in life. Good examples are Marston's The Malcontent, Ben Jonson's Volpone, and Shakespeare's Richard III and Merchant of Venice. Christopher Marlowe's entire oeuvre as a playwright is a tacit endorsement of the Renaissance go-getter, the man on the make whose only interest is the next goal; whether it's The Jew of Malta (who desires the ruin of others), Dr. Faustus (who gets whatever he wants thanks to a diabolical contract), or Tamburlane the Great (conquering every nation he finds). The ending of these plays usually features the death of the villain, but that's obviously to give sop to the ruling powers who still paid lip service to morality. The point was the change in a culture that had formerly supported drama solely in defense of the Faith, and was now spotlighting the triumph/tragedy of the individual.
I've used playwrighting as an example of this change, but it pervades so many spheres. The phrase, "the selfmade man," dates from the Renaissance, and the letters of the period are filled with remarks about gallants and malcontents, mostly from middleclass backgrounds, leaving their home towns and accepting no conventional profession, in an effort to seek employment with the state, or with a prince, to secure their fortune and set up a private fiefdom. They exploded across Europe like a vast wave of unrest. And not Europe, alone; the New World was conquered by these euphoria-seekers, in the form of Castillian selfmade men.
I would actually think contentment and euphoria are interacting at a correlational level rather than contradictory - I think you more often see high contentment and high euphoria in the same invididual, and low contentment and low euphoria in the same individual.
I would personally agree with this, though the actual level of interaction between contentment and euphoria within any given individual is likely to be very different from another--and probably differs within that individual as well, from hour to hour. Those who are completely euphoria-driven are likely the addicts you mention, whether it's drugs, gaming, or controlling others through politics. Those who fit more completely into the contentment camp, alone--perhaps some members of religious enclaves? There are far fewer of the latter. Any guesses why?
I'll have to respond more to your other points, later. No time at the moment.
A combination of the two: native inclination, and changes to the European cultural environment that came into play during the Renaissance. It's often forgotten that the period was far more than simply a bunch of bearded guys getting together and going, "Oh! Let's invent science!" Over a period of several hundred years, the entire cultural and intellectual landscape over a vast area shifted violently. The European Middle Ages was, whatever else can be said for or against it, a period of "perfect knowledge." That is, the universe was Aristotelian: all things that were meant to be known were known; the exact dimensions of the universe had been calculated, the purpose of all things were clear, and god's will (as dispensed through the medium of his wife, the Holy Church) was made plain.
That's not to say everybody tried to follow this plan. Humans will be human. But by and large, there was a sense within the culture of where everybody stood in relation to their neighbors, their family, their town/village, their government, their craft, their god. You could muck things up, but usually there were ways of making everything alright.
And then along came the Renaissance. Printing. In the 150 years or so that lapsed between its European application and the end of the 16th century, 28,000 works appeared. International correspondence networks and learned academies sprung up. The scientific method was discovered, research was employed to investigate the age and accuracy of religious claims, and rival churches began to appear. The vernacular took over from Latin. Travel abroad became quicker, cheaper and safer. A large middle class developed, and mercantile goods became common.
Suddenly, the straight path to god became a path for self-realization; and as you point out, the shortterm goals easily grab attention ahead of longterm ones. It suddenly became important to make oneself supremely happy, and let society go hang. The plays of the English stage are full of this: monstrous schemers, who can dissemble emotions and manipulate others perfectly, do whatever they like to get ahead in life. Good examples are Marston's The Malcontent, Ben Jonson's Volpone, and Shakespeare's Richard III and Merchant of Venice. Christopher Marlowe's entire oeuvre as a playwright is a tacit endorsement of the Renaissance go-getter, the man on the make whose only interest is the next goal; whether it's The Jew of Malta (who desires the ruin of others), Dr. Faustus (who gets whatever he wants thanks to a diabolical contract), or Tamburlane the Great (conquering every nation he finds). The ending of these plays usually features the death of the villain, but that's obviously to give sop to the ruling powers who still paid lip service to morality. The point was the change in a culture that had formerly supported drama solely in defense of the Faith, and was now spotlighting the triumph/tragedy of the individual.
I've used playwrighting as an example of this change, but it pervades so many spheres. The phrase, "the selfmade man," dates from the Renaissance, and the letters of the period are filled with remarks about gallants and malcontents, mostly from middleclass backgrounds, leaving their home towns and accepting no conventional profession, in an effort to seek employment with the state, or with a prince, to secure their fortune and set up a private fiefdom. They exploded across Europe like a vast wave of unrest. And not Europe, alone; the New World was conquered by these euphoria-seekers, in the form of Castillian selfmade men.
I would actually think contentment and euphoria are interacting at a correlational level rather than contradictory - I think you more often see high contentment and high euphoria in the same invididual, and low contentment and low euphoria in the same individual.
I would personally agree with this, though the actual level of interaction between contentment and euphoria within any given individual is likely to be very different from another--and probably differs within that individual as well, from hour to hour. Those who are completely euphoria-driven are likely the addicts you mention, whether it's drugs, gaming, or controlling others through politics. Those who fit more completely into the contentment camp, alone--perhaps some members of religious enclaves? There are far fewer of the latter. Any guesses why?
I'll have to respond more to your other points, later. No time at the moment.
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As I noted above, the Renaissance suddenly meant general European culture moved into the fast change lane, in so many respects. Where there had been one Church to administer to god's flock, there were now several. Where there had been a universe with Earth at its center and Man at the center of that, there was now a theory that the Sun was at the center of the system, and that other Suns with their Earths could exist, as well. Where wars were generally fought on a limited scale in the Middle Ages, suddenly large, powerful city states emerged that fought and conquered one another with horrific brutality; and they were in turn destroyed by the new appearance of nation states, who had the economic clout to deliver military superiority. Sacred standards were thrown out the window; relativism and nominalism were voiced in print. Consider these wise words from Montaigne:
Each man calls barbarism whatever is not his own practice; for indeed it seems we have no other test of truth and reason than the example and pattern of the opinions and customs of the country we live in. Theirs is always the perfect religion, the perfect government, the perfect and accomplished manners in all things...Purchase gives value to the diamond, and difficulty to virtue, and pain to piety, and harshness to medicine.
Now, Montaigne was not simply a commentator, but a highly placed nobleman and diplomat, one of the most revered and sought after mediators in France during its most contentious period, bringing peace out of four warring factions and two religions. That someone on his level should write such a thing and publish it speaks to the acceptance of such views in certain quarters.
The divine law from which humanity supposedly fell away, was replaced by a tacit belief in the rule of secular might. Cardinal Richelieu, the power behind the French throne, once put it bluntly when he grimly remarked, "In matters of state the weakest are always wrong."
Given all this, there's no wonder that signs of disorder appeared everywhere, and men wrote of it in terms that remind me of Yates' "The Second Coming." They responded in many ways, some by concretizing order, some in religious enthusiasm, others by seeking easy pleasures.
And that brings us to euphoria, which (thanks to improved wages, working conditions, and the strength of the middle class) was now a distinct goal. Or rather, a series of distinct goals, varying according to where you were, and what was your social status.
Thus the Paston family in Tudor England worked single-mindedly for a couple of hundred years to raise their holdings and secure nobility. (A mere knighthood was nothing to them. Henry VIII farmed them out regularly to fill his coffers. They wanted the patent of nobility on their family tree.) Close to a thousand letters survive, testifying to their constant pursuit of mini-goals that gave brief pleasure before leading to further goals that had to be strategized, their friends and relatives mobilized for.
Those who were already noble might seek happiness out of collections. The nobility of the Middle Ages was far wealthier than its peasantry, but they had little in the way of worldly goods. By contrast, Mazarin, Richelieu's successor, kept a collection of dozens of jeweled rings. The Milanese and their Italian city state rivals collected male a capella choirs who sang sacred music; they even sent ambassadors to bribe, and on occasion, kidnap the best singer/composers. Lorenzo de Medici, arguably the shrewdest mind of those Italians, collected money and influence. He sought nothing so much as to gain power over others by having them owe him favors. To lesser souls, the delights of whorehouses, playhouses, silks from Asia, spices, playing cards, paintings and tulips (those perennial favorites among the Dutch), beautifully designed homes and new leather-bound books were things to work for, to achieve...and then to move beyond, and achieve again.
Euphoria fueled the economic powerhouse of the Renaissance. It's arguable that it's still doing so, today.
Each man calls barbarism whatever is not his own practice; for indeed it seems we have no other test of truth and reason than the example and pattern of the opinions and customs of the country we live in. Theirs is always the perfect religion, the perfect government, the perfect and accomplished manners in all things...Purchase gives value to the diamond, and difficulty to virtue, and pain to piety, and harshness to medicine.
Now, Montaigne was not simply a commentator, but a highly placed nobleman and diplomat, one of the most revered and sought after mediators in France during its most contentious period, bringing peace out of four warring factions and two religions. That someone on his level should write such a thing and publish it speaks to the acceptance of such views in certain quarters.
The divine law from which humanity supposedly fell away, was replaced by a tacit belief in the rule of secular might. Cardinal Richelieu, the power behind the French throne, once put it bluntly when he grimly remarked, "In matters of state the weakest are always wrong."
Given all this, there's no wonder that signs of disorder appeared everywhere, and men wrote of it in terms that remind me of Yates' "The Second Coming." They responded in many ways, some by concretizing order, some in religious enthusiasm, others by seeking easy pleasures.
And that brings us to euphoria, which (thanks to improved wages, working conditions, and the strength of the middle class) was now a distinct goal. Or rather, a series of distinct goals, varying according to where you were, and what was your social status.
Thus the Paston family in Tudor England worked single-mindedly for a couple of hundred years to raise their holdings and secure nobility. (A mere knighthood was nothing to them. Henry VIII farmed them out regularly to fill his coffers. They wanted the patent of nobility on their family tree.) Close to a thousand letters survive, testifying to their constant pursuit of mini-goals that gave brief pleasure before leading to further goals that had to be strategized, their friends and relatives mobilized for.
Those who were already noble might seek happiness out of collections. The nobility of the Middle Ages was far wealthier than its peasantry, but they had little in the way of worldly goods. By contrast, Mazarin, Richelieu's successor, kept a collection of dozens of jeweled rings. The Milanese and their Italian city state rivals collected male a capella choirs who sang sacred music; they even sent ambassadors to bribe, and on occasion, kidnap the best singer/composers. Lorenzo de Medici, arguably the shrewdest mind of those Italians, collected money and influence. He sought nothing so much as to gain power over others by having them owe him favors. To lesser souls, the delights of whorehouses, playhouses, silks from Asia, spices, playing cards, paintings and tulips (those perennial favorites among the Dutch), beautifully designed homes and new leather-bound books were things to work for, to achieve...and then to move beyond, and achieve again.
Euphoria fueled the economic powerhouse of the Renaissance. It's arguable that it's still doing so, today.
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Oh yeah, now I'm older, Budwiser. So what, apart from the aforementioned, and clearly labeled, definitons of "inner angst" and the all-encopmpassing need for two adults to find each other
What does the rest of you do to keep yourself happy? And please re-read the original question.
What does the rest of you do to keep yourself happy? And please re-read the original question.
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