Handmaiden Jedi problem (**spoiler**)

Force farse · Post by **Force farse** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:52 pm

**spoiler** (as if anything in here isn't a spoiler!!)

Ok, I'm on Nar Shaddaa. I've haven't done much yet (this is my first planet after Telos). But the Handmaiden is mad at me for something I've done with Visas. Please spare me all the banter on "how could you ignore the Handmaiden, she's so hot" and such. I didn't mean to and as far as I can tell I really haven't done anything with Visas.

My question is: Is there a way this early in the game to correct this and win enough influence to convert her, or is it possible to drive her the other way with hate and still convert her? And, if either option is possible, how would I do it?

I've heard rumors of being able to get someone in your party to hate you enough to turn them to the force, but I don't know any details.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Ergophobia · Post by **Ergophobia** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:07 pm

From what I've heard, you're generally screwed. But I haven't been able to get her to hate me, for I've never gained much influence with Visas. If you have a savegame somewhere before meeting Visas, try getting influence with Handmaiden first, then with Visas. Shouldn't be too hard if you take Onderon or Nar Shaddaa as first planet.

Struttdaddy · Post by **Struttdaddy** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 1:58 pm

Are you still able to duel with Handmaiden on the Ebon Hawk? If so, you can gain influence that way with her.

XMattX · Post by **XMattX** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:26 pm

I got her so pissed at me that all she ever says is something in the terms of "I have nothing more to say to you..."

Force farse · Post by **Force farse** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:26 pm

No, I can't duel with her once she's mad at me. She won't even talk to me at all. But I should add one piece of info. I had saved the game just before speaking to her and once I found out I couldn't talk with her I reloaded right away. Also, I've tried every option in the conversation but nothing changes her mind.

Crunchy in milk · Post by **Crunchy in milk** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:31 pm

I can't tell you if this is recoverable as once I had it happen I reloaded since the cause was rather obvious. It relates to not only influence with Visas but being dark side aligned (so far as I can tell). It only happened to me when this was the case. When I was extremely light side aligned the handmaiden had no problems with me spending time with Visas.

If you want to play it out you might want to try switching to light sided, however if your plan was to corrupt the handmaiden into a Dark Guardian, well forget using dialog to gain influence and she will no longer duel you. As a dark sider, your best bet is to leave Visas well enough alone (at least don't ask about her eyes or why she protects you from her master) until 18th level by which time the handmaiden will be up for duel number 3 and ripe for turning to the dark side. (Should you be dark enough the similarities she finds between you and her father and her mother's story actually change). Not to mention the HM looks far better dark sided than light.

Djengo Torx · Post by **Djengo Torx** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:50 am

No, it happened to me too when play lightside. You're allignment has nothing to do with it. It's more like the Handmaiden is pissed because you've been fooling around on her.

Spoiler?
You apparantly have to choose who you're making little jedi with. Visas or Brianna. After getting a lot of influence with Brianna and having Mira on board, you walk on the ship and Mira is giving Brianna advice on men and I guess your chances of making little Mira jedi are screwed.

Ergophobia · Post by **Ergophobia** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:49 am

Nope, I managed to get all of them Jedi... I just never got much influence with Visas, so that might be the problem.

Macleod1701 · Post by **Macleod1701** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:58 am

Visa is fairly easy to gain influence with, I've managed to push her fully to the light so that she even aquires the light mastery bonus, just be nice and repond to her questions with the usual light side fluffiness, as for hand maiden she's easy to convert, you do loose some influence with her when you wont hurt visa but there is still more than enough to bump her back to fully light and make her a kick arse guardian.

Forest · Post by **Forest** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 10:57 am

You can get some Influence easy for Handmaiden on Dantooine. When You are going out of cave where you find Vrook, you will be attacked by mercenaries. Just attack them. If Handmaiden is with you, she will get some influence. By the way, if Kreia is with you too by then, you can use [Lie]. She will get some influence, but Handmaiden will lost some.

bluefirebird · Post by **bluefirebird** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:54 am

I found the solution to the Handmaiden problem, when she gets angry at you and there is nothing you can do to solve it.

My solution was to use the kotor savegame editor (KSE) and modify the saved game in the -globals-numeric.

Basically I think I changed all the parameters related to the handmaiden to 0 and the hand_love to 1. I also changed the influence in the character section to 100.

I've tweaked with it several times until I found the right combination of parameters, but I was able to recover the handmaiden.

Now she is a mean jedi fighting machine!!!

vanir · Post by **vanir** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:40 pm

I'm on my second attempt at a game solely intentioned for trying to convert my ship-mates to Jedi with no success. I just don't get it.

I should add that I installed a tweak where Bao-Dur's little droid tells you the amount of influence you have with others and I have 100% with those I'm trying to convert. I've light side mastery and am a Guardian/Master.
It's irrelevant but I also installed the D20 conversion so I'm 35th level along with most of the crew now (the mod gets you to the 50th level cap easier and makes enemies tougher based on your level). I just can't see why I cannot seem to find the dialogue which lets you train others as Jedi.

The last game I tried this before the D20 and other add ins. I made it to Malachor without success at converting anyone and positively had high influence with everyone in the party. Just couldn't find the dialogue optioins to train anyone at any time. I've got the v2.01 patch and everything.

I'm dawdling on this game trying to find a way of making Jedi, so I've been through Telos, Onderon, Nar Shaddaa and back to Onderon just now (but have hit a stupid crash bug there so it looks like I'll have to abandon this game anyway). I figure with only Dantooine and Korriban left I really should've been able to train the crew as Jedi by now.
I've no problem achieving light side mastery pretty early on or gaining influence with the characters. So I just don't get it.

WTF am I doing wrong, or aren't doing right? Do you have to be a darksider to train your crew or something?

Ergophobia · Post by **Ergophobia** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:52 am

Bao-Dur and Disciple should be no problem, only thing you need there is influence. Did you meet the twileks on Nar Shaddaa yet? They are needed for Atton. For Mira, you need to be on Nar Shaddaa for the 'conversion' to work. For Handmaiden, you just need to spar three times, did you do that yet?

w666tvr · Post by **w666tvr** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 2:56 am

You are doing a lot right. You need 90% or more influence (or 10% or less) to make Jedi, and it is easier not harder if you are LS. The rest is conversation and trigger events.

The last thread I participated in has some info here (Search is your friend).

Darth Moudi · Post by **Darth Moudi** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:34 am

You can prolly get her to talk to you if you take her with you and do some good deeds. That will help. I think. Its worth a try.

Davja Eloma · Post by **Davja Eloma** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:47 am

It's all about the influence and trigger events. The last game I played, I had trained everyone as Jedi except Bao-Dur on Nar Shaddaa. NS was my first stop after Telos. Bao-Dur becane a Jedi after I found the missing devices on Dantooine.

Snakerock · Post by **Snakerock** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:03 am

been working on getting HM to jedi but cant seem to get it, sparred with her all the times, but cant seem to break into teh convo about her being like her mother and i dono how to gain more influence, bout to be done with Dantooine shortly after focusing most of my efforts talking to her and the stuff i do doesnt seem to effect her much

doesnt seem like any of its worth it anywaysm pretty dissapointing in that aspect, but its like what do i do now to get her a lightsabre

vanir · Post by **vanir** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:22 am

Thanks all for the replies.
Yes I've done the duel with Handmaiden to death. I did that even before I knew about it being a trigger to anything, I tried from the onset to play a realistic game and really disappear into the Star Wars Old Republic universe to get the most out of this awesome gaming engine. I loved Kotor I thoroughly and have been looking forward to this game for quite a while (and the mods and tutorials from pcgamemods and Holowan Laboratories).

She's agreed to learn from me in two games, pretty early on too (by 15th level in one game and since the D20 install at around 27th or in other words just as I qualify to take a Prestige Class, which is appropriate for training Jedi IMHO). But she always says, "I need time to take all this in, I look forward to your training me at the right time," (or something like that), and in the first one I kept her with me, kept opening dialogue to check if there was an option to level her up as a Jedi and it just never happened. Even after the showdown with Atris and Handmaiden declares that she will be your understudy, it just doesn't happen. I ended up at Malachor with no option to make Handmaiden a Jedi anywhere, even though she agreed some 10 levels earlier. So I abandoned that game in frustration.
Since the D20 mod, I've gotten to 35th level, Handmaiden agreed to train with me back at 27th level and still no dialogue option appears to make her a Jedi. As I mentioned I've been to Onderon, Nar Shaddaa and back to Onderon and I try to find every hook I hear about and complete every quest that isn't out of character (never done the Hutt's treasure one, but who needs it really and it's a bit greedy for a LS'er anyway).

Do I have too much influence with Visas perhaps, causing rivalry? I get very high influence with Visas very easily (she goes LS very quickly around me and usually ends up LS mastery by the Ravager), I'm usually LS-Mastery shortly after she rolls up anyway, usually a Master of some type not long after that and very quickly get 100% influence with both Visas and Handmaiden in every game since the first. What can I say, I thought they were the sexiest little things out (love watching Visas walk and Handmaiden stand around in shapely AC15 heavy-armour or move about in her underwear).

Visas usually goes around declaring her love for me (we did the glowing blue thingy in the last game). Handmaiden usually tells me she's denying a love for me but she can't help it being there, what the hell she'll betray Atris for me (I always tell her time will show she's doing the right thing). Hell, even Mira thinks I'm talking about charging up her loading ramp every time I try to chat, I have to keep asking her what the heck she's talking about (I try to say hi and she starts going on about how she doesn't want to step into the female rivalry for my character's attentions, I say, wtf? and she starts going on about sharing bunks together and getting the others jealous). The whole time I'm about to start screaming at the computer screen, LOOK I JUST WANT TO TRAIN YOU ALL AS JEDI, OKAY?

Atton I usually get 85-95% influence with, no idea how you'd make that guy a Jedi, every time you open a dialogue it's a sabacc option or an argument. If you call him a twerp you get influence and then it's back to sabacc options. Bao-Dur I have no real interest in making a Jedi, I mean if it comes along yeah but I'm not going out of my way since I think it's out of character for him and Mandalore. I'll save it for when I get more silly/bored.

I'll search all through related threads again and see if I can come up with all the triggers needed.

E_Motion · Post by **E_Motion** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:36 am

But she always says, "I need time to take all this in, I look forward to your training me at the right time," (or something like that), ....

I ran into the same problem recently. Turned out that I needed to talk to Kreia before I was able to train Handmaiden. So go visit Kreia - as you end the conversation with her, she will start talking about how you are spending time with the servant of Atris. After that you will be able to train HM.

Mote · Post by **Mote** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:24 am

Havent played DS yet, but never had any problem getting both Visas and Handmaiden and Mira to follow the jedi path yadda yadda...

You definately have to converse with Kriea about Handmaiden if you're stuck. She should start the conversation with something like "Youve been talking to the servant of Atris" or some such... keep her talking down as many different dialogue trees as you can about it until she starts talking about training her in the 'ways of the "jedi"'

Basically, to me, a good rule of thumb is to chat at everyone after every planet is done with, just stroll around the ship talking to everyone. Some people never have anything new to say, but you never know when an increase in your stats might open up a different option in the dialogue.

Sometimes its also good to talk to people immediately after youve gained influence with them. Gaining influence helps open those annoying 'influence failed' persuasion options every now and then.

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