is cleave bugged?

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:48 pm

well if you drop an opponent you get a quick attack on a nearby opponent 1 time per round. and with great cleave you can do it as many times as you like. i have noticed that with my monk it works just fine and when sorounded by goblins he can wipe em out pretty quick, btw it looks really cool with all the body parts flying around so fast. however, with my fighter and my fighter/barbarian it does not work this way, in fact it does not seem to work at all. is it because they are using 2-handed weapons? or is it because they are slower then the monk?

shift244 · Post by **shift244** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:59 pm

I am not sure.. perhaps you lack the weapons that deal enough damage? Cleave and Great Cleave is only (supposed to be) activated when you manage to drop/kill an opponent. Meaning that you can only get a 2nd cleave, if you kill with your 1st cleave. Monks, having increasing damage di(c)e by levels, means a potential damage equal to a two-handed weapon, with the number of attacks and chance to hit surpassing two-weapon fighting.

I cannot claim that it is not bugged, but I have noticed that my dwarven and human Clerics (in the latest romp) get Cleave attacks, from the combat messages now and again. So Cleave at least does work, for other classes. Never read about it ever being said to be buggy before.

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:41 am

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cleave works but you need to kill an enemy and have anotherone in weaponrange that you get an extra attack...

...great cleave only makes sense for PCs with a very high damage output, a weapon with a wide range and to many feats to take

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Aldon · Post by **Aldon** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:20 am

Cleave works in my games. Its not a major advantage that turns every battle, but it gets my main tank some extra hits in longer battles.

I agree with SilverDragon that great cleave is less effective than cleave and not a priority when picking feats.

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:46 am

well when i got a fighter with a greatsword who is sorounded by goblins of whom he drops in one hit, damage isnt a problem.

Erenor · Post by **Erenor** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:43 am

Wait, what's the benefit of Greater Cleave over normal Cleave?

Aztaroth · Post by **Aztaroth** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:27 am

With normal cleave you get an extra attack once per round, with the great one unlimited extra attacks (as long as the enemies go down in one hit

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Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:10 pm

[QUOTE=Erenor]Wait, what's the benefit of Greater Cleave over normal Cleave?[/QUOTE]

read the first line in my first post.....

Erenor · Post by **Erenor** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:56 am

[QUOTE=Raumoheru]read the first line in my first post.....[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I check these forums around 3AM right after working, so I'm not always awake. I'm not sure I've actually seen Greater Cleave ever work effectively. I normally see "PC gets extra attack from Cleave" but nothing from Greater Cleave...and yes, I'm sure the character has it. Huge barbarian with enormous stength and a greataxe.

neocool00 · Post by **neocool00** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:31 pm

@Erenor,
If you get a greater cleave hit, it does not say "PC gets extra attack from Greater Cleave", it just says the same thing. Also, as others have said, in order for greater cleave to work, you have to have atleast 3 baddies w/in reach. The first kill is normal kill, second kill is cleave and third + would be greater cleave, but it will only work if each hit is a kill and targets are w/in reach.

ishuman · Post by **ishuman** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:53 pm

Plus, I read somewhere that questioned the wisdom of taking an advanced feat to help kill enemies that are so easy to kill you can take out three in a row with one swing a peice anyway.

-ishuman

neocool00 · Post by **neocool00** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:53 am

IMHO, GC is only useful in the Prologue and maybe Chapter 1. After that it's pretty much useless unless you've got spellcasters that can cast area spells enough to almost kill the monsters around your character. I've really only experienced GC against goblins in Targos. I had a fighter with 18 strength and 2 handed axe get surrounded by goblins in the cave and then he just went on a killing spree. It does look cool to watch 3 or 4 goblins get hacked to death in a row.

shift244 · Post by **shift244** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:05 pm

Great Cleave need not only work with goblins and the like. Even tougher foes can make the feat whorth while. Medium powered foes can be weakened with a Fireball, and since you can only cast one spell in a round, your warrior wirh Great Cleave can then wade in on the weakened and "Almost Dead" targets and still gain the benefits within the round, dropping them quickly.

Of course, the playing style varies among people, and hence the utility of a feat is questionable upon oneself.... some may like it, some may not.