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[QUOTE=frogus23]I think that sexual energy is something that can develop. If anyone can squeeze blood from a stone, I would say it is you, Scayde. Give him time, I think. :) [/QUOTE]
frogus made me think of something else. If your problem is sexually specific (ie- "you've lost that lovin' feelin'") then it is worth mentioning that guys... um... tend to "lose steam" as they grow older, so to speak. This is different from guy to guy obviously, but my understanding is that it is biochemical.

You probably know better than I if his inhibitions are something he picked up over time, or whether they are physical.
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Ok i am very confused. Is this emotional or sexual? If its sexual - ewwwww! :p I don't want to know :p But if it is disregard what i said as i have no experience in the matter :D
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[QUOTE=frogus23]I think that sexual energy is something that can develop. If anyone can squeeze blood from a stone, I would say it is you, Scayde. Give him time, I think. :) [/QUOTE]

Aww... how sweet :p

Personally... I'd go with your gut instinct... But what to I know? :rolleyes:
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You know Sis... your post evokes one of my favourite poems...
Think of this new relationship... as an uncharted and magical journey... one that offers unexplored vistas... and distant shores. Yes, there will always be those deep ocean currents of which you must remain wary.. but careful navigation will always help ;)


Ulysses

It little profits that an idle king,
By this still hearth, among these barren crags,
Matched with an aged wife, I mete and dole
Unequal laws unto a savage race,
That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me.
I cannot rest from travel; I will drink
life to the lees. All times I have enjoyed
Greatly, have suffered greatly, both with those
that loved me, and alone; on shore, and when
Through scudding drifts the rainy Hyades
Vexed the dim sea. I am become a name;
For always roaming with a hungry heart
Much have I seen and known---cities of men
And manners, climates, councils, governments,
Myself not least, but honored of them all---
And drunk delight of battle with my peers,
Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy.
I am part of all that I have met;
Yet all experience is an arch wherethrough
Gleams that untraveled world whose margin fades
Forever and forever when I move.
How dull it is to pause, to make an end.
To rust unburnished, not to shine in use!
As though to breathe were life! Life piled on life
Were all too little, and of one to me
Little remains; but every hour is saved
From that eternal silence, something more,
A bringer of new things; and vile it were
For some three suns to store and hoard myself,
And this gray spirit yearning in desire
To follow knowledge like a sinking star,
Beyond the utmost bound of human thought.

This is my son, my own Telemachus,
To whom I leave the scepter and the isle---
Well-loved of me, discerning to fulfill
This labor, by slow prudence to make mild
A rugged people, and through soft degrees
Subdue them to the useful and the good.
Most blameless is he, centered in the sphere
Of common duties, decent not to fail
In offices of tenderness, and pay
Meet adoration to my household gods,
When I am gone. He works his work, I mine.


There lies the port; the vessel puffs her sail;
There gloom the dark, broad seas. My mariners,
Souls that have toiled, and wrought, and thought with me---
That ever with a frolic welcome took
The thunder and the sunshine, and opposed
Free hearts, free foreheads---you and I are old;
Old age hath yet his honor and his toil.
Death closes all; but something ere the end,
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with gods.
The lights begin to twinkle from the rocks;
The long day wanes; the slow moon climbs; the deep
Moans round with many voices. Come, my friends.
'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
Push off, and sitting well in order smite
the sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
Of all the western stars, until I die.
It may be that the gulfs will wash us down;
It may be that we shall touch the Happy Isles,
And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
Though much is taken, much abides; and though
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are---
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.


Alfred, Lord Tennyson
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@Scayde: Since I believe you and I are very different persons, I will post my advice just to offer a really "meta", outside, perspective. I know nothing about you nor this guy you have met, so my advice will be based on my general opinions about relationships, both as a shrink and as a private person (my professional opinions tend to be leaner than my private opinions, but they coincide in principle).

My advice is based on:
1. Never assume that a person will change. If you want to committ to him, it must be in his present form. That doesn't mean you wouldn't appreciate positive development, but potential future changes must be viewed as a bonus, not a prerequisite. You must accept, love and want this man exactly as he is now - otherwise, don't committ. Keep it as an "entertainment" relationship or a more short term relationship.
2. Don't expect anything to grow better than it is now. Perhaps it will, but there is no guarantee, and certain things like passion and sexual energy is more likely to decrease over long time than to increase.
3. Do you want to get what you want, or are you happy with getting only part of what you want. This is a question only you can answer.

[QUOTE=Scayde]
Everything should be perfect....but...out of the bedroom, he is more like a pal He said the most important thing is that we be ’best friends’. I tend to agree. We can talk openly about anything and everything. We are on par theologically, Politically, fiscally...right down the line..... [/quote]

I think long-term relationships can be based both on the "best-friend" concept, and on a more "pure sexual" type of relationship, and whereas the friendship based relationships certainly have better odds for lasting longer, we must also ask ourselves what type of relationship we want to have. For me, I don't mind being friends, but none of my partners have ever been my best friends - I already have many friends, it's not a best friend but a lover I am looking for in a partner. Longevity in a relationship is not an eigenvalue - it is nice and well, but it does not overshadow other qualities.
I have no idea whether you are like me or not in this regard, I just wish to point out that you must ask yourself what you really want and value in a partner relationship.

[quote="Scayde]He says I am who he wants to spend the second half of his life with...needless to say"]

I think it is important for you to decide whether your relationship must be very long term and serious (like marriage, moving together, plan a common future) or if it can be at a "just for fun"-level. Does he literally mean marriage and spending the rest of his life with you, or is this a figure of speach to express his feelings for you? If you don't know, try to ask him and clearly state that both alternative interpretations are totally acceptable in your eyes so you are sure he replies honestly and not in a way he thinks you want to hear. Also of course, you must answer this question yourself.

If possible, I think you should try to gather more data ;) before making any decisions. That is, try to find out what options you have with this man.

[quote="Scayde]He talks in terms of forever. Sounds good"]

If he has less sexual energy than you and is less emotional, that will not change unless he is currently inhibited by something like I describe below in my comment to Frogus. I think you should try to find out what the underlying cause of his lower sexual and emotional activity level is. I think you should discuss it with him, but discussion may not be enough since it is very possible he doesn't know himself. One good marker you can use is his sexual behaviour in general. Is he easily aroused? Does he seldom say no to sex? Does he behave in an disinhibited and creative way in bed? Does he enjoy giving you pleasure? Does he have a positive attitude when you introduce new things in your sex life? If you answer all those question with yes, I am pretty sure he is not inhibited, but probably just have a lower activation level than you have.

[quote="Macleod]
If your only worried about his sexual energy try the following"]

Personally I think this is horrible advice, because it is based on manipulating your partner without him knowing you even view this as a problem. Whereas it may be a nice sociopsychological experiment to figure out whether it is actually lack of sexual energy or merely lack of initiative, I think you should simply speak to him rather than play games with him. Together with hope of future change, game playing is the single most destructive factors in couple relationships.

[quote="Frogus]
I think that sexual energy is something that can develop.[/quote"]

During the first year or so perhaps, and only if the lack of energy is dependent of inhibition due to fear of rejection, habits, images regarding gender roles or other prejudices - in short, only if the lack of energy is due to something superficial and non-genuine in the person. Otherwise I disagree.

As you might have figured out by now, if I were in your situation as you describe it in your post, I would not committ myself longterm to this relationship.
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VonDondu wrote:From the way you describe him, it sounds like he loves you passionately but doesn't possess the sexual energy (or the impetus to initiate physical play) that you require from a partner. Even if you love him and he's perfect in every other way, making a commitment to him for the rest of your life sounds like a very tough choice. I'm essentially just repeating what you have said.

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Good luck!
He is very much the stereotype in some regards, and breaks the mold in others. Intellectually, experience wise, lifestyle choices, he has long pulled up those Texan roots and become very much the citizen of the world. Conversations with him are far more akin to one with you, or fable, or DW than the usual West Texas 'Uh huh" and "Nope"...I do enjoy that about him. And I don't want to imply that he is a cold fish sort. Far from it. He is very warm and engaging. As I said, 'In the Bedroom" he is awesome...but he would die a thousand deaths if I kissed him in front of a crowd while we were dancing, turn three shades of red, and whisper.."Don't you think we should wait till we get home for that???" :rolleyes:
(It is kinda cute when he gets embarrassed though :D )

Cuchulain82 wrote:I tend to see things in the context of their surroundings. I don't know you very well Scayde, and I don't know your guy. Your problem is committing, right? I was thinking about advice, but rather than advice I have a question: do you think that your trouble has to do with this guy, or the thought of committing in general?

That may seem like a silly question, and my first reaction to that question

I don't know if this makes sense, but hopefully it helps. Good luck :)

Pretty much committing in general. I always wanted a small tattoo on my ankle, but cant bring myself to do anything that 'permanent'...I always wanted to be able to change my mind...
CM wrote:Scayde you (just like me) tend to give out too much information on such matters. Is it really necessary for you tell him you are in love with him? The question is do you trust him not to take advantage of you and the situation you place yourself in. Man this is so weird. Me giving you advice.
No, it isn't necessary, but, one sort of feels obligated to say something when you are told that...and yes, I do trust him, and I am petty sure I share the same feelings, I am just afraid of the implications...

As far as you giving me advice, I figure, you've run up a high enough tab, it's time to start paying up :D ;)

Macleod1701 wrote:If your only worried about his sexual energy try the following, withhold sex from him for a few weeks, make up any excuse that sounds plausible but dress as provocatively as possible and look aroused a lot. On the other end of the spectrum just talk to him about your worries, that's what he's there for.

LMAO...That is great Macleod, though I don't think I could be that duplicitous, the talking is good advice though..thanks ;-)
frogus23 wrote:I think that sexual energy is something that can develop. If anyone can squeeze blood from a stone, I would say it is you, Scayde. Give him time, I think. :)
LOL..frogus, you are as charming as ever...perhaps you could give him some lessons ;-)



To save a bit of time here, let me just say for the rest...

Chuchulain
, it is not the sex...That is great, it's the little things like flowers for no reason, going over to find wine chilled and candles burning, surprise kisses in the mall..The romantic stuff that most girls enjoy, and guys never think of ....

CMYou are not confused..This time ...*grin*

Sis, I love that poem, but you already knew that...and it will always make me remember you now too..*HUG*

Giles re: going with my instinct: This is something I always do, unfortunately, this is the first time my instincts have been confused :p

CE] 1. [b]Never assume that a person will change[/b]. 2. [b]Don't expect anything to grow better than it is now[/b]. 3. [b]Do you want to get what you want wrote:.
This is a question only you can answer.

<snip>
4. I think it is important for you to decide whether your relationship must be very long term and serious (like marriage, moving together, plan a common future) or if it can be at a "just for fun"-level. Does he literally mean marriage and spending the rest of his life with you, or is this a figure of speech to express his feelings for you? If you don't know, try to ask him and clearly state that both alternative interpretations are totally acceptable in your eyes so you are sure he replies honestly and not in a way he thinks you want to hear. Also of course, you must answer this question yourself.

If possible, I think you should try to gather more data before making any decisions. That is, try to find out what options you have with this man. <snip>
1. I don't, I know better...
2. I don't, I know better...
3. We all want to get what we want. Rather I can be happy with a compromise is the question, and no, at this point I don't have an answer to that.


4. In my culture, and in his, these questions are all rather moot. You are friends, or lovers, but when you speak of 'the rest of your life' you are discussing marriage. Rather implied (as it has been) or stated outright (as it has also been) 'Living together' is not really an option to someone from this man's background. Mostly for cultural and religious reasons which, unless you are from here, are very hard to understand, and impossible to explain.

There is time to sort this out, and I will, but I was interested in the thoughts of my friends as well as those of you who I have grown to respect, if not always agree with ;)


Thanks again everybody...Love and *HUG*s to you all...

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Well, the first half of my post was lost, so, I apologize for the double post, seems I hit a word limit or something... :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Maharlika]Milady, I feel for you.


I'm sure that you are aware that his inability to show his affections the way you want them to be does not in any way mean that his love is any less.

Tell you what, next time he asks you questions like, "What makes you happy?" "What else is there for me to do?", then they should give you the cue to tell him directly (naughty-wise or otherwise :D ).

In my case, I would almost always initiate, but of late, she takes the initiative! :o
[/QUOTE]

Thanks Mah...I am sure you are right, I know he cares for me very deeply, I just have a bit more of a playful nature than he does. I am glad things are going well for you and you lovely wife :)
*HUG*


[QUOTE=Magrus]

But, if you feel it's worth a try, then you should at least give it just that. Let him know you'd like to make things a bit more serious and see how that goes. . :( [/QUOTE]

Not wanting to make things more serious at all at this point..I am perfectly happy taking it slow. There is too much at stake here to rush head long into anything :)

[QUOTE=dragon wench]Oh Sis... *hug* You know how much I like this guy..



You have often commented to me about the longevity of my relationship, despite its bumpy patches... how much you admire this.. and indeed profoundly respect me because of it. Well.... one reason my partner and I have remained together all of this time is because we are, above all, 'best friends'. I have seen you and your man interact and discuss... This is how it should be.. that one moment you are engaged in a conversation about religion.. while a few hours later you are in one another's arms. Healthy relationships are generally like this.. And.. you know.. just because somebody does not always initiate.. does not mean they lack passion or that they care any less about the person they are with. Sometimes... they are just a bit more reserved.... ;)

As far as taking care of you and providing.. This is something only you can decide. I very much had the impression that he would support you, no matter if you continued your career as a nurse or pursued a different course, so really this is up to you. ;)

Sis... I know how afraid you are.. But everything you are experiencing is 'normal stuff.' There is nothing here that should be the cause of any kind of obstacle... *hug*



Have the two you spoken about any of this? I don't want to ask personal questions so publicly... but I don't really have the impression you are dealing with anything insurmountable (er... pun not intended :D ).
Incidentally, some of the most profoundly emotional people I have ever known have been neither overt nor demonstrative.... but such individuals do not feel or care any less...




I guess what I am saying is that healthy relationships are not usually a series of dramatic or tempestuous moments. Rather, they are a complex symphony orchestra. Some movements are slow and quiet....almost a barely discernible lull, others have a faster tempo, while yet others are a combination..[/QUOTE]

Thanks Sis...I miss you already, and am so glad for the time you spent here...*HUG*

You really do know me so well....it is just that..the drama, the tempest, I have lived so long in the eye of the storm, it is strange to stand on terra firma. The Soul of the Sailor in me cries for the storm. I should cherish this safe harbor I have found, I have beaten myself against the rocks and ridden the waves far too long. My only fear is that I will miss the sea ...

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Scayde wrote:
3. We all want to get what we want. Rather I can be happy with a compromise is the question, and no, at this point I don't have an answer to that.

4. In my culture, and in his, these questions are all rather moot. You are friends, or lovers, but when you speak of 'the rest of your life' you are discussing marriage. Rather implied (as it has been) or stated outright (as it has also been) 'Living together' is not really an option to someone from this man's background. Mostly for cultural and religious reasons which, unless you are from here, are very hard to understand, and impossible to explain.
Ok, time will tell and only you know what you want to choose, but in this perspective, I would certainly not advice you to marry this man.

Simplified, compromising means either getting only part of what you want and not other parts, or it means getting all that you want but to a prize you don't want to pay. I know that many people conceptualise loving relationships as having to include "both parties willingness to compromise for the sake of staying together/sake of love" and "giving and taking from both sides". I do not.

If you are looking for a relationship that is more businesslike, pragmatic, more based on having a functioning Family Inc., I think compromising and mutual trading is necessary. Likewise so if you are looking for a Marriage(TM). But if you are looking for a relationship more like an additional value to the rest of your life and focus more on passion and drama, then you should never compromise, not with anything.

..the drama, the tempest, I have lived so long in the eye of the storm, it is strange to stand on terra firma. The Soul of the Sailor in me cries for the storm. I should cherish this safe harbor I have found, I have beaten myself against the rocks and ridden the waves far too long. My only fear is that I will miss the sea ...
Again, I don't know you specifically, but in people who consistently are drawn to drama and change, this behaviour is usually a personality trait and it is not going to change. Tired as you may be, it is likely that you will miss the turmoil more than you sometimes may long for quiet. There is a risk that you will be very happy and energetic for 1-2 years, and then increasingly bored, restless and unstimulated. In that situation, it is easy to just start to die and then spend the rest of your life dying.

Just something I hope you consider, since I have seen so many people being happy and relieved they finally found peace, just to find themself claustrophobic a while later.
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[QUOTE=Scayde]
Pretty much committing in general. I always wanted a small tattoo on my ankle, but cant bring myself to do anything that 'permanent'...I always wanted to be able to change my mind...
[/QUOTE]
Get the tattoo- that is my advice- an emphatic Get the Tattoo! ;)
(I got one of a meaningful design. I got it on my leg so I can cover it up with clothes. It was one of the best decisions of my life)

[QUOTE=Scayde]Chuchulain, it is not the sex...That is great, it's the little things like flowers for no reason, going over to find wine chilled and candles burning, surprise kisses in the mall..The romantic stuff that most girls enjoy, and guys never think of...[/QUOTE]
I have been guilty of not thinking about that kind of stuff myself, and I agree with CE- don't expect it to change. It will get a little better, but it could also bring tension; he wants you to be happy, you have this expectation of spontaniety/romance, it's hard for him to fulfill it... expectations like this can lead to trouble if you don't communicate well. Remember that it isn't so much that he won't want to be romantic, it just might not be who he is.

However, sometimes when someone is different, that makes things all the better. Well, maybe his not being as romantic as you is actually the perfect compliment- you like it when he blushes, right? He sounds like he has a masculine and yet still boyish charm- blushing in public, nervous about you but emotive in private, strong silent type... a texas rancher... now that I write it out like this, it practically sounds like you are dating the new millenium version of John Wayne (but much more worldly)- good catch! :D

I like to quote philosophers alot, but I don't have one for you now. DW has the right idea- poets are probably better, so I'll leave the quoting to her. When it gets right down to it, it seems like you just need to do what you think is right.
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[QUOTE=Scayde]Not wanting to make things more serious at all at this point..I am perfectly happy taking it slow. There is too much at stake here to rush head long into anything[/QUOTE]

Well that's good if your happy with that, and that you happen to value things enough not to jump into going further than your ready for. :)

As to the whole business of him being shy and blushing at public affection. I used to be that guy, break him in. Shock treatment. Go slow, so he ends up trusting you at first, then say, at a movie, where it's dark and no one else will notice, yet still public, go further. I used to blush at the simplest things. Now, if a girl I'm with happens to tease me in public, she's doing her best to keep me from putting her on the closest object capable of holding our weight, public be damned. :o
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[QUOTE=Magrus]Well that's good if your happy with that, and that you happen to value things enough not to jump into going further than your ready for. :)

As to the whole business of him being shy and blushing at public affection. I used to be that guy, break him in. Shock treatment. Go slow, so he ends up trusting you at first, then say, at a movie, where it's dark and no one else will notice, yet still public, go further. I used to blush at the simplest things. Now, if a girl I'm with happens to tease me in public, she's doing her best to keep me from putting her on the closest object capable of holding our weight, public be damned. :o [/QUOTE]

I think they need to invent something that hides you from the public for these types of situations, Magrus. Something that covers both partners so nobody presses charges, but something portable and easy to handle so you can just flip it open and go for it comfortable anywhere. Sometimes you just can't wait to run into a bathroom or dark corner. What's wrong with the middle of the room anyway?
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[QUOTE=Erenor]I think they need to invent something that hides you from the public for these types of situations, Magrus. Something that covers both partners so nobody presses charges, but something portable and easy to handle so you can just flip it open and go for it comfortable anywhere. Sometimes you just can't wait to run into a bathroom or dark corner. What's wrong with the middle of the room anyway?[/QUOTE]

So true, my girlfriend, well...dunno how that works with us now, but she works at a book store. The little corners in the book racks that are all hidden are oh so much fun. ;)
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[QUOTE=Magrus]So true, my girlfriend, well...dunno how that works with us now, but she works at a book store. The little corners in the book racks that are all hidden are oh so much fun. ;) [/QUOTE]

Yeah, my girl doesn't even let me go shopping with her most of the time, which I don't mind very often, b/c rows and aisles tend to hide people pretty well. ;) Even music stores are out of bounds. She stays away from me in them, because the CD stacks are about chest height...whoever designed those stores had sympathy for boyfriends that got dragged along...
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[QUOTE=Erenor]Yeah, my girl doesn't even let me go shopping with her most of the time, which I don't mind very often, b/c rows and aisles tend to hide people pretty well. ;) Even music stores are out of bounds. She stays away from me in them, because the CD stacks are about chest height...whoever designed those stores had sympathy for boyfriends that got dragged along...[/QUOTE]

*chuckles* I get followed by at least 2 security guards when I go into FYE now because of naughty behavior from years ago. I know exactly what you mean. ;)
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[QUOTE=Magrus]*chuckles* I get followed by at least 2 security guards when I go into FYE now because of naughty behavior from years ago. I know exactly what you mean. ;) [/QUOTE]

I hate getting followed in stores. You can't do anything fun and shopping is really boring most of the time. The only fun to be had shopping is in the dressing room. Well, and clothing racks hide a lot of mischief too...
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[QUOTE=Erenor]I hate getting followed in stores. You can't do anything fun and shopping is really boring most of the time. The only fun to be had shopping is in the dressing room. Well, and clothing racks hide a lot of mischief too...[/QUOTE]

I'm on their "unwanted list". I almost got sued...It isn't fun, at all there now. Well, only when I'm too drunk to care that I'm being followed. THEN it's fun irritating security for a while.

Umm, I don't think this is at all helpful advice in any way, shape or form. :o
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[QUOTE=Magrus]I'm on their "unwanted list". I almost got sued...It isn't fun, at all there now. Well, only when I'm too drunk to care that I'm being followed. THEN it's fun irritating security for a while.

Umm, I don't think this is at all helpful advice in any way, shape or form. :o [/QUOTE]

Yeah, maybe we should switch this conversation to a different thread. Sorry, Scayde. Boys will be boys, I guess. :o
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Scayde, for his sake(as well as your own), don't marry him. You sound exactly like my wife and I sound exactly like your man.

CE is right that you'll get bored. I could tell you what would probably happen when you get bored after 831 days of successful marriage, but I think you can figure that out for yourself. If not, ask DW. She know's what I would tell you.

Have fun for now, make it clear you don't want to lead him on too much; and when he decides he can't go any further without tying the knot, re-evaluate and either go through with it(you may calm down a bit by then) or don't go any further.
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[QUOTE=Scayde]He is very much the stereotype in some regards, and breaks the mold in others. Intellectually, experience wise, lifestyle choices, he has long pulled up those Texan roots and become very much the citizen of the world. Conversations with him are far more akin to one with you, or fable, or DW than the usual West Texas 'Uh huh" and "Nope"...I do enjoy that about him. And I don't want to imply that he is a cold fish sort. Far from it. He is very warm and engaging. As I said, 'In the Bedroom" he is awesome...but he would die a thousand deaths if I kissed him in front of a crowd while we were dancing, turn three shades of red, and whisper.."Don't you think we should wait till we get home for that???" :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
That seems to be pretty common in this part of the world: passion in the bedroom, but no public displays of affection. Two things would worry me if I were in your position. First of all, his attitude towards public affection isn't likely to change. He's living according to the values he grew up with. First it's, "Unmarried people aren't supposed to do things like that in public," and then it will be, "Married people aren't supposed to do things like that in public." I don't foresee him ever losing his inhibitions. I'm reminded of the C&W classic Behind Closed Doors by Charlie Rich. I can see how a man might want a woman to act like a "lady" in public and "let her hair down" in the bedroom. "'Cause people like to talk. Lord, don't they love to talk." But of course, I'm the type who prefers Rub It In by Billy "Crash" Craddock. :)

Second of all, I don't like the idea that the bedroom is the only place where affection can be expressed. If it's limited to only one time and place, then as the years go by, the "time and place" will shrink until there's no "time and place" left. Your first year will probably be your best year in the romantic energy department, and you know what people say happens after marriage. I think that love can grow stronger in a longterm relationship, but not sexual energy. If your man's sexual energy is dormant until you reach the bedroom, then I don't know if you can draw it out of him in other places. I'm lucky because my current boyfriend is the type of guy who makes me feel like he's attracted to me all the time; his passion isn't reserved for "the right time and place". But I've known other guys who seem to have an ON/OFF switch. I think it just goes to show that there are different types of men.

I think that love is innate, but romance is a learned behavior. Can you teach an old dog new tricks? Maybe it depends on the teacher; but I don't think most people can learn such things from their partners. In other words, I don't think you can be his teacher. So I don't know if he'll ever learn to be romantic. He might try to do something romantic a few times but fail to get the hang of it and then he might stop being romantic altogether. Happy, satisfied men tend to be complacent in the sense that they just aren't motivated to kindle romance. They feel secure, so they'd rather relax than expend any energy. On the other hand, they will show how much they care about you in unromantic ways, and they deserve credit for that. For example, your man might not give you flowers, but he'll probably fix your water heater for you. To him, that shows he cares. Men tend to be "practical", so they put a lot of value on things like that. But to you, it might not seem romantic enough. :)

When my parents first got married, they took the advice of someone (I have no idea who it was) and set aside some time every evening after dinner to be affectionate to each other. By the time I was old enough to notice that they had a routine, it mainly consisted of my dad lying on the living room floor with his head in my mother's lap while she groomed him. (He usually fell asleep.) I suppose it brought them closer together emotionally (it sounds like typical primate bonding behavior to me), but I always wondered why my mother never wanted to be on the receiving end. As I said, satisfied males act as if they take their partners for granted. I don't think they really take their partners for granted; they just act like they do, if that makes sense. I don't think my father is out of the ordinary at all. He's a really sweet guy; he just isn't romantic. I can't even remember what he did for my mother on their 25th wedding anniversary. She has never complained, so I have to assume that she hasn't been unhappy. Maybe she's the type who thinks that's the way marriage is supposed to be. As for me, I love my father, but I have to say I wouldn't be happy being married to a man like that.

I have my own issues regarding the role that my partner expects me to play in a relationship, and I'm doubtful about someone who wants to "take care of me" instead of making me feel like an equal. You mentioned something about that. I think that is also a reflection of the values that people grow up with.

I think what you really need right now is a crystal ball, but unfortunately, it doesn't exist. So maybe the people who say you should listen to yourself are right. Your mind is giving you input, and your heart is giving you input, and you just have to work it out for yourself. :)
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I just wanted to say that it may be better to take what I said and tone it down a couple of notches. I was a little upset about my own situation when I posted that(could ya tell? ;) ) and perhaps came on a little too strong.
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