Jedi Consular

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:43 am

not sure, I just read my help source and it just says has more melee feats than other classes and more agressive attacks

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:45 am

Actually I reason I particularly like Guardian is because they only have 1 sp/level (if it hasn't changed) so I can set my INT to 8 without losing anything

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EDIT: Not only are we getting off-topic, but we also got through two pages!

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:46 am

and then if you got force deflection, yu would be invincible. lol

EDIT: Good point, it is really annoying that the attributes start as -1. Wouldn't want it changed tho. lol

Wow, thats alot of talking, it has been a bit like IM hasnt it, you were right,. lol

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:53 am

wow that idiot adjdaha got blasted. HAHAHA!!! he thinks he is immune to force crush? even if one doesnt kill, the next will. or the next one. or the next one. you are immobilised idiot. you miss your next round. even if you save. so it doesnt matter what your crappy enlightment does, casting two buffs that i already have. you would lose to a sith lord. simple as that. if you use force immunity and hope for a very lucky roll i could always use force breach. either way you cannot win.
sith lord would kick ur ass with force crush.
BTW i dont think force resistance will save you. i have equal equipment, so force resistanc eis equal. anyway, i wont die with one kill (i have as much chance of saving as you do anyway). then i will hit you with a chain of force crush until you are dead. basically the only way you can win is if you are much luckier with your force resistance. on average, the sith lord will kick ur light ass.

again: DARK SIDE CONSULAR>LIGHT SIDE CONSULAR
in terms of power anyway.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:08 am

As I said before, its all about who starts first and who is luckier. Force Crush doesn't give you any distinct advantages. I shall use insanity first. If I succeede you're dead.
Anyway, what stats did you begin with? And what have you been putting your stats into.
Did you go dark side, get hanharr and then go lightside. If not, then my character is better than yours and so, I have a better chance of beating your ass.

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:15 am

[QUOTE=ajdaha]As I said before, its all about who starts first and who is luckier. Force Crush doesn't give you any distinct advantages. I shall use insanity first. If I succeede you're dead.
Anyway, what stats did you begin with? And what have you been putting your stats into.
Did you go dark side, get hanharr and then go lightside. If not, then my character is better than yours and so, I have a better chance of beating your ass.[/QUOTE]
ur an idiot. if i use force crush first, i win, regardless of if you save or not. if you use insanity first, you win, UNLESS I SAVE. so, odd still in my favour.
as for stats i didnt go light side obviously or i wouldnt have force crush. otherwise the same. my stats are pretty similar, you have +2 modifier more on wisdom i think, although how you could be bothered to play with so few skill points i dont know.....

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:23 am

just to add...it wouldnt matter what dark sided character i was. even if i was a sith assassin or sith maurader, i could still use force crush. wisdom modifier doesnt matter cause even if you save you are dead.
and i think jedi watchman gets immunity to fear...so insanity might have no effect.....hmm, not sure about that.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:24 am

"It should be noted, however, that it is not completely unstoppable as Trayus was able to cast Death Fields inbetween saving vs. Crush. So watch out if you happen to have 10 HP left!

And Crush is not stronger than Kill, especially vs. people like Trayus with her insane HP."
From Noober!!!

Is this true?
If so, then you have no argument cause it really is all about who goes first.
And me having the greater wisdom I shall save and beat your character.
A hum, Of course, IF it is true.

PS: I put my skills points into persuade and also gave one point to each skill class. When needed I, lower the dificulty/change equipment.
I almost never need to though cause my allies do that for me.

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:30 am

[QUOTE=ajdaha]"It should be noted, however, that it is not completely unstoppable as Trayus was able to cast Death Fields inbetween saving vs. Crush. So watch out if you happen to have 10 HP left!

And Crush is not stronger than Kill, especially vs. people like Trayus with her insane HP."
From Noober!!!

Is this true?
If so, then you have no argument cause it really is all about who goes first.
And me having the greater wisdom I shall save and beat your character.
A hum, Of course, IF it is true.[/QUOTE]

the NPCs can do things that players cannot, such as chase you with 3 ffloating lightsabers. if this happened it would be a glitch that goes against the description of the force.
(also, you have same chance to save as me. you have higher wisdom but i have higher charisma, so DC is same.)

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:31 am

So, it doesn't apply to players?

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:38 am

what about a sith assassin with insane dexterity? they could use stealth on you, you would never detect with your crppy skills, then they could use force crush on you and defintely have initiative (infact regardless of stealth....but just to be on the safe side).
you would be cained.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:46 am

No because we aren't counting anything outside of battle cause then I could just run about with force immunity on, all of the time.
Also, I'm pretty sure precognition should take care of that. And your character doesn't just run about stealthed, so if you were to see me first and use it, then yes, but if I see you first then you won't be able to use it.
PS: we're no longer arguing about which is better for the game, light side or dark side consular. Now its one on one, Player vs Player. So I still believe that it is better to go lightside IN the game, because it makes the game more fun when you get Enlightenmet, since you don't need force crush.
It looks like there is more of a chance of a dark conuslar beating me, but my character shall be better at clearing out a room in the game.

And....Force Crush sucks cause its un-fair.

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 9:56 am

[QUOTE=ajdaha]No because we aren't counting anything outside of battle cause then I could just run about with force immunity on, all of the time.
Also, I'm pretty sure precognition should take care of that. And your character doesn't just run about stealthed, so if you were to see me first and use it, then yes, but if I see you first then you won't be able to use it.
PS: we're no longer arguing about which is better for the game, light side or dark side consular. Now its one on one, Player vs Player. So I still believe that it is better to go lightside IN the game, because it makes the game more fun when you get Enlightenmet, since you don't need force crush.
It looks like there is more of a chance of a dark conuslar beating me, but my character shall be better at clearing out a room in the game.[/QUOTE]

you'll be the same at clearing out a room in the game. casting three buffs simultaneously doesnt speed clearout time AT ALL. what are you talking about?
plus about the assassin......ignore the stealth thing, lets say with zero prep time they fight......the assasin would just win the initiative roll every time so they would attack first everytime.
plus force immunity sucks and can be cancelled by force breach.

ajdaha · Post by **ajdaha** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:03 am

No, I was saying that I'f be better at clearing out a room cause of my, better wisdom+charisma modifiers.
And yes, your assassin would win the initiative roll and beat my guy.
And so we loop over to, why Force Crush is so not fair

And force immunity, well we all know that that sucks.
Btw, if you were a marauder or assasin, then how much force points would you have? about 150 (I don't know, but since you have). If so then my first attack would be Force Storm, draining you of your force. If you were completely drained and couldn't attack, I would win. Just a pointless hypothetical.

Dead! · Post by **Dead!** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:38 pm

So I still believe that it is better to go lightside IN the game, because it makes the game more fun when you get Enlightenmet, since you don't need force crush.

You don't need enlightenment at all, you already have all 3 powers it gives.

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:16 pm

[QUOTE=ajdaha]No, I was saying that I'f be better at clearing out a room cause of my, better wisdom+charisma modifiers.
And yes, your assassin would win the initiative roll and beat my guy.
And so we loop over to, why Force Crush is so not fair

And force immunity, well we all know that that sucks.
Btw, if you were a marauder or assasin, then how much force points would you have? about 150 (I don't know, but since you have). If so then my first attack would be Force Storm, draining you of your force. If you were completely drained and couldn't attack, I would win. Just a pointless hypothetical.[/QUOTE]
assassin attacks first. damn you have a bad memory.
plus i have a BETTER charisma modifier, not a worse one.

dorian_gray · Post by **dorian_gray** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:17 pm

[QUOTE=Dead!]You don't need enlightenment at all, you already have all 3 powers it gives.[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY. only need two for a Sith Lord as well really.

Sharks · Post by **Sharks** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 6:52 pm

Wow you guys have been busy with out me.

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:12 pm

[QUOTE=ajdaha]It looks like there is more of a chance of a dark conuslar beating me, but my character shall be better at clearing out a room in the game.[/QUOTE]
Absolute rubbish. You have no need of such a high Wisdom, therefore my Lightning/Wave/Insanity will just as effective. Not to mention, as stated, that clearing out a crowded room relies less on fast lightsaber action and more on force powers.

[QUOTE=ajdaha]Also, I'm pretty sure precognition should take care of that. And your character doesn't just run about stealthed, so if you were to see me first and use it, then yes, but if I see you first then you won't be able to use it.[/QUOTE]
Precognition is a scripted ability, therefore is irrelivant.

[QUOTE=ajdaha]So I still believe that it is better to go lightside IN the game, because it makes the game more fun when you get Enlightenmet, since you don't need force crush.[/QUOTE]
The only ability you might need in-game is Speed. I have never had the need of extra Wisdom.

[QUOTE=dorian_gray]plus about the assassin......ignore the stealth thing, lets say with zero prep time they fight......the assasin would just win the initiative roll every time so they would attack first everytime.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention Force Jump-Sneak Attack tricks.

[QUOTE=ajdaha]And so we loop over to, why Force Crush is so not fair [/QUOTE]
So you admit then that Crush (and therefore DS consular) > you?

[QUOTE=ajdaha]Btw, if you were a marauder or assasin, then how much force points would you have? about 150 (I don't know, but since you have). If so then my first attack would be Force Storm, draining you of your force. If you were completely drained and couldn't attack, I would win. Just a pointless hypothetical.[/QUOTE]
LOL? I could get 150 points from special events alone...not to mention that attacking (first btw, b/c of higher DEX) doesn't exactly require Force...

Sharks · Post by **Sharks** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:32 pm

you made some good points there but what about neutral you never said anything about that one