Brother Toras (Spoiler)

Eagle1Kenobi · Post by **Eagle1Kenobi** » Sun May 30, 2004 4:05 am

Brother Toras

Hi

I recently entered the crypts where brother Toras is found. I've done just about everything in most of the other areas during this chapter and am just finishing the exterior areas near Luskan prior to moving into the town.

I have been hit with a problem though. Once examining Toras I notice it says the challenge rating is impossible followed by an extended list of immunities. Neither my weapons nor Tomi's things seem to harm this imbecile ... how am I sposed to get the book if I can't kill the dolt?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun May 30, 2004 4:11 am

What class are you playing and what level are you?

Strategies are much depending on what class, but this is some general stuff:

You could try to get ahold of other weapons, possible with higher enchantment bonus or that does elemental damage.

You could try another henchmen - like Daelan.

Remember to use potions to buff up before hard fights.

Also - for that specific fight - you can lure out most of the other creatures from the area with ranged weapons, withouth getting Brother Toras to follow them. Might make the fight easier if you don't have to worrry about so many extra creatures.

But I need more information about your character and weapons before I can help more.

By the way - I've added a spoiler tag to your title, to avoid people getting spoiled if they don't want to.
Otherwise - Welcome to GB.

Eagle1Kenobi · Post by **Eagle1Kenobi** » Sun May 30, 2004 4:36 am

I guess I don't see where this is a spoiler really but thanks just the same.

Character specifics:

Dwarf Fighter
Stats: 16 16 18 12 8 6
level 11
I have 130 hp and 7000 gold on me. I currently wield either an Elven Court Bow with special arrows or I wield a Katana +1 anda short sword +1 dual with improved 2-weapon fighting and ambidexterity. I have a base attack bonus of 11. I forgot where marrok is found or if I can even get to him yet but that may help, I have 4 magic bags full of reagents and 2 adamantium.

I just noticed something else. In another area of this site it lists henchman 'quests'. You are supposed to give an item to receive one. However, when attempting to give a henchman an item it says only potions are acceptable. In this case, how is it that these 'quests' are possible?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun May 30, 2004 6:58 am

Well - when you are a fighter character, you should try to see if you could find another weapon with a higher enchantment bonus, just for this fight. I most always carry more then 1 weapon for just such things as this.

Try changing Tomi out for Daelan - or possible any other henchmen if you wish to try out different tactics. You can always change back to Tomi after the fight again if you wish. Henchmen don't carry grudges when being left behind

Remember to use poitions to buff you up. Haste, Strenght, Barkskin (or what it is called) and all other you can think of.

When fighting him - keep an eye out for the feedback in the chatbox. He can have a stoneskin for instance, absorbing all your damage for its duration - which could be why it seems as if you aren't doing damage to him.

Also remember to have some spell resistance when fighting mages - the Shimmering Belt is good for that, for instance. Otherwise use belts that give meele protection for when his spells run out.

A challenge rate of impossible, just means that his level is 5+ higher then yours.

The reason I placed a spoiler tag, was due to the fact you mentioned this guy and the need to kill him etc. It might be a small spoiler - but in my oppinion and experience - better safe then sorry

As for the henchmen quests, they start in chapter 1 - so if you haven't done the chapter 1 quests - you can't do the chapter 2.
The way they work is through dialog. Talking to your henchmen presents a dialog option where you can get to know them better or something similar. These dialog options is also the means to give their quest items to them, and is unlike the way you give potions to them.

Hope this helps you get through this fight, if not - well post back, and we will see if we can't help you some more

Hammalcar · Post by **Hammalcar** » Fri May 13, 2005 6:59 am

I havew tried pretty much everything suggested and still can't kill this bastard. My character is a lev8 monk, lev3 rogue, lev1 shadowdancer so he's not a wuss. I am using gloves with a +3 attack bonus and +3 ice damage, I am also using a +3 crossbow with various bolts of special damage, and I have Daelin for a henchman.

I have killed all the other foes in his lair so it's just us two and Toras and neither of us have ever inflicted so much as 1 point of damage on him. I tried using scrolls to cast spells and they always get reflected back at me while Daelin always runs off into the corner in fear. My typical fight lasts a long time as my character is very hard to hit, but I always end up muttering that my weapons are ineffective and casting myself back to the temple. Am I missing something simple here? Do I need to take my gloves off and hit him with plain fists? What gives? This is the first foe I've had any real problem with, let alone can't even lay a finger on.

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Fri May 13, 2005 7:11 am

IIRC most liches in NwN either got immunity or resistance against cold and electrical. And your gloves won't help since they only give bonus to hit and not enchantment. Try giving your monk a kama or something else with higher enchantment. Grimgnaw (or whatever he is called) might be the best henchman since his will saves are the best in the game, and his strength is the second highest.

If he isn't the biggest problem to hit, try using power attack if you got that feat.

Space_Loner · Post by **Space_Loner** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:21 pm

He is among, or THE, hardest boss in NWN. I personally think lvl 11 (for the previous questioner) is a bit low when you get to that stage. Doing a few more quests should boost it to the 12-15 range.
Mercenary quests are completed after you talk to them excessively, you have to have done it in Ch1 for some merc. before you are allowed in Ch2, but don't worry it won't kill your game.

To add to the other advice...
If you really can't touch him, run away for a while and see what happens.

Eolair · Post by **Eolair** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:30 pm

I had some frustration with Toras as well. I have beaten him with +1 enchanted weapons.. the trick is to find the type of damage (slashing/piercing/bludgeon) that he isn't immune to.

ladyblack · Post by **ladyblack** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:21 am

[QUOTE=Hammalcar] I tried using scrolls to cast spells and they always get reflected back at me while Daelin always runs off into the corner in fear. [/QUOTE]

Doesn't a potion of Clarify stop him being affected by Fear? It might help him stick aorund long enough to do some damage to Toras.

JackOfClubs · Post by **JackOfClubs** » Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:17 pm

I don't think Clarity works on fear. The first level cleric spell Remove Fear will help, but I don't know if you can find it on scrolls. The Golden Circlet helmet will protect from fear, but that won't be much help for Daelan. I am not sure if there are any items that allow you to cast Remove Fear on someone else. Your best bet may be to try to boost his Will save by increasing his wisdom.

ladyblack · Post by **ladyblack** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:30 am

How strange. I'm not disputing this with you, it's just that I had just established for myself that Clarify could overcome Fear. However, I have noticed recently that Dalean often runs around with the Fear symbols over his head but still gets stuck into the fight anyway. When he runs away, the monster he's fighting will run after him (usually). If Dalean gets cornered, again, he will fight anyway, and the monster tends to die.

So. Either my computer is doing something strange (perfectly possible) or Dalean was able to overcome the fear enough to give me a hand which ensured that I survived anyway. Just think of all those Clarify potions I've wasted

.

Perhaps it just helps with the Fear (Clarify = Dutch Courage)

JackOfClubs · Post by **JackOfClubs** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:03 pm

Fear allows the affected creature to respond to attacks sometimes; it isn't completely incapacitating as, say, Stun is. But you cannot control the character under its effect, which is the big problem. The effects are similar to Confusion which also allows some response to attacks (but also sometimes causes hostile responses to friends, which Fear doesn't do). This may not be so apparent with henchmen as you cannot directly control them anyway, but they do not respond to commands.

You may be right about the Clarity spell potion. I am mainly going off of the spell description and memory which only mentions Sleep, Confusion, Stun and Charm. I haven't tested it recently, but I don't think it helps.

Edit: I see that you mention giving Daelan a clarity potion in the thread about the Half-dragon Baalor. I wonder if it is confusion that he casts rather than fear. I know sometimes Bio-ware uses the same animation for two different spell effects, but I am not sure if fear and confusion are like that.

ladyblack · Post by **ladyblack** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:04 am

Whoops! Now I've done it! Oh no, hang on, the Clarify potion still worked with regards to the Half-Demon, so I haven't told anyone the wrong info - thank heavens! What annoys me, though is that when I am attacked under the Fear influence, my character doesn't fight back even when cornered. It looked as though Dalean had some control over his movements, but I'll go with what you say here.