Wildshape hitpoints

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Sun May 15, 2005 5:24 am

If a druid has 2 or more wild shapes per day, how does this work with hitpoints?

Say that I have 40 hp and drop to 30, then I shapechange into an animal.
IMO, then I have the full hp of the animal.

But if the beast for is injured and goes from 20 to 10 hp and I change back to my human form. Later, I shift again (no healing inbetween) to an animal form. Does this second animal form have full hp again?

Demortis · Post by **Demortis** » Sun May 15, 2005 10:02 am

i always thought it worked like polymorph. but i may be mistaken

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Sun May 15, 2005 3:56 pm

So it's concidered a full night hp, 2x your level, per change and changing back doesn't count.

Naturally, also count the additional (if any) CON modifier points.

Demortis · Post by **Demortis** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:28 pm

yea, once per change. if you have the ablity to change multiple times it only happens on the first i think. but yes its like a full days rest. (i think dont quote me on it)

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Tue May 17, 2005 2:56 am

It's cleared up, thanks.

thekyngdoms · Post by **thekyngdoms** » Tue May 17, 2005 1:11 pm

Rob-hin wrote:It's cleared up, thanks.

*cough*

That's not quite my reading of it. I don't see anywhere where it says that regaining hit points can only happens once per day. Polymorph says:

Upon changing, the subject regains lost hit points as if it had rested for the night...

So, my reading would be that this occurs for every wild shape. And every time you change, you regain hit points just as if you'd rested for the night.

jopperm2 · Post by **jopperm2** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:09 pm

That's how I read it too. In effect you can partially "rebuild" yourself.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Tue May 17, 2005 3:56 pm

Yes, me too.
I understand it, but I was feeling a bit woozie when I posted... when looking back I don't see why I did.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:24 pm

I thought any extra hitpoints gained where because of any CON adjustments that occured along with the transformation. Otherwise, would it not be too abusible an ability, acting essentially the same as healing spells?

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:40 pm

It works as thekyngdoms says. You heal after every use of WS.

Aegis: Only if you think healing 2*level in HP is abusable.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:44 pm

[QUOTE=Mr.Waesel]It works as thekyngdoms says. You heal after every use of WS.

Aegis: Only if you think healing 2*level in HP is abusable.[/QUOTE]
For a castor class, yeah, I tend to think so, considering they have 2/3 to 1/2 of the hit points of a combat oriented class. Just my thoughts, that's all.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Wed May 18, 2005 2:53 pm

Well, I created my my druid and he is far from a tank.

He is level 7 and has 62 hp. His wildshape, a bear, has 33 hp.
When he WS he gains 14 hp, but only from normal to animal form. In other words, he has to drop to around 20 hp, a bit dangerous.

To be honoust, WS sucks at level 7 as the animals you can pick are not really strong anymore; they were on lower levels. Luckily, level 8 means large animal forms.

Rudar Dimble · Post by **Rudar Dimble** » Wed May 18, 2005 3:01 pm

What race did you use for your Druid?
And only 33 hp with WS? That is kinda disappointing indeed

Aramant · Post by **Aramant** » Wed May 18, 2005 5:36 pm

Another question regarding Wild Shape: the description states that the druid may only adopt one form. Is that one form for the duration of the shapechanging event, or does one have to pick a specific animal, which is the only animal he can ever change into?

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:24 am

You can change into any animal (but size can be limited) you know, but per change you can only pick one animal.

Rudar Dimble · Post by **Rudar Dimble** » Thu May 19, 2005 3:45 am

I thought you had to have some general knowledge about the animal (seen it or heard about it in a very extensive description)? Or was this just a house rule in my other D&D group?

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Thu May 19, 2005 7:17 am

This is easily house ruled.
I'd also rule that a very detailed description is good enough, but argument could state that you would have to seen, toughed or even 'socialised' with it.

Aramant · Post by **Aramant** » Thu May 19, 2005 8:03 am

The 3.5 Player's Handbook states that the druid must be familiar with the animal he wishes to change into. The example is that a druid who has never left a temperate forest cannot change into a polar bear.

Rudar Dimble · Post by **Rudar Dimble** » Thu May 19, 2005 8:53 am

Yes, that's the rule I was mentioning a couple of posts ago...so it wasn't a house rule after all

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Thu May 19, 2005 9:00 am

[QUOTE=Aramant]The 3.5 Player's Handbook states that the druid must be familiar with the animal he wishes to change into. The example is that a druid who has never left a temperate forest cannot change into a polar bear.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but define 'familiar with'.
I suppose the correct interpretation could be that you saw one once.