Revan *major spoilers*

[stormcloud]

I sadly read something on the kotor2 boards (played kotor2 first and then 1) so the effect was ruined for me.

:grumble:

[fable]

Yep. Spoiler annouincements are your friend.

[Night_Hawk]

I was very angry, frustrated, yet I was stunned, shocked, baffled, and thrilled!!!

You know what. When I was escaping the Levithavian ship with Bastila and Carth, I almost got Bastila to reveal her feeling and kiss me. Since we weren't on the Ebon Hawk yet, she told me that she would like some privacy, so she would give me an answer once we got back to the Ebon Hawk. So, I couldn't wait to get off that dam Levithavian ship to listen to Bastila's answer.(it was my first time playing the game, so naturally I was sooo excited to hear what Bastila had to say about our romantic relationship).

Well, that jerk Malak showed up before we could hit the Ebon Hawk and "ruined" my fun . I didn't expect to face the boss this early (I was afraid that after killing Malak, the game ended and I wouldn't have a chance to hear Bastila's revealing). Shortly after the confrontation, Malak told me that I was REVAN!!! Man, I was stunned, I was shocked, I was baffled, and I was thrilled.

No words could describe my emotion at that point, especially after Bastila was stuck behind to hold Malak back. I just wanted to bash that door open to save Bastila. I wished that Malak would take Carth instead of Bastila; why couldn't they let Carth stay back to hold Malak while Bastila and I escaped? (sorry gals, whomever fell inlove with Carth ).

When we got back to the Ebon Hawk, it was a relief to hear Jolee Bindo say that Malak wouldn't kill Bastila . From that point on, I ignored all the side quests to get to the Temple as soon as posible to save Bastila (and hear her finish the "private part" she had promised me).

That twisting moment on the Levithavian ship was the best part ever (especially in my situation ). I don't think that I will ever forget it

[Suicide Girl]

Now, I really really apologise if this thread is too old for replying and someone gets a bit irritated when it sticks to the top...

But I just had to complain somewhere.

I was so completely endlessly tragically mindbogglingly heartwrenchingly brainfreezingly dissapointed. But not because I found out I was Revan!! No, that was an amazing plot twist!

But I felt like someone slapped me with a cold wet towel because, when I had just begun the game and was strutting around Taris, my idiot brother ran up and went "sg, sg, you know what? I was just here and there and blah and blah and you know what?? I AM DARTH REVAN!! You are Darth Revan!! Your character is the evil Sith Lord!! WOO!!"

Talk about spoilers.

I should kill the little bastard. He deserves to die a slow, painful death.

He ruined it for me. As in ruined. Whenever someone talked about me or Revan, I couldn't help thinking "That's me. That's Revan. That's me." And the Leviathan moment just lost its appeal and power.

Damn.

Again, I apologize.

[mrthingyx]

Apologies: another late comer...

I'd played KOTOR II first as my little bro bought it for me... I'd heard about the first KOTOR but didn't think much of it. After playing the second one, I really wanted to find out about Revan, etc. so...

Sadly I found out what the massive spoiler was at some point when playing KOTOR II as I searched for 'Revan' on Wikipedia and found out. Poo.

Finally found the game second hand in some shop and played it all the way through. Although I had an idea of what was coming, the way in which events transpired was really, really impressive - quite powerful and almost disturbing. I must say, I was left a little trembly after that. Once I finished the game, I was also amazed at how good the whole strory was - how it built up, how different things manifested themselves, etc. - and was left really moved by the love story between Revan and Bastila... I know that's quite sad, but I thought it was very touching indeed. And I'm a 23-year old guy.

A truly awesome game with an even better story to it. I can only wish that some day, somebody will do it justice by making an incredible film out of it.

[feral]

I was actually relieved when I found out, because otherwise it was a bit too much like Episode 1 - "This boy is too old to train... blah, blah, blah... but we'll take him on anyway and put him under the wing of a wilful, maverick master just to see what will happen."

[Suicide Girl]

[QUOTE=mrthingyx]A truly awesome game with an even better story to it. I can only wish that some day, somebody will do it justice by making an incredible film out of it.[/QUOTE]
Ah... I live for that day.

Sorry about the spamming.

[Chimaera182]

I think the spoiling moment for me came shortly after my arrival on Dantooine. I didn't really think much about Revan at all until I was before the Jedi Council. When Master Vrook challenges the other members of the Council on Dantooine by saying, "Are you sure Revan is dead? What if we undertake to train this one and the Dark Lord should return?" At that point, I thought, "What the heck does that have to do with anything?" and the rest just snowballed. By the time I ran into Malak on the Leviathan, when he "revealed" to me who I was, I pretty much sighed and thought, "Yeah, I know, but thanks anyway."

[Jedi Thomas]

It was a total suprise

When I found out I almost wanted to yell at the top of my lungs I'm Darth Revan but it was 4 AM and I didnt want to wake everyone up. I found it kinda ironic how I playing a light side character could be at one time a sith lord. I just found it astonishing noone recongnised him. I realise Darth Reven wore that mask but still you'd the people at the sith academy would recognise his voice. But when I played Kotor II after playing Kotor I was crushed to hear that Revan could have been a woman. I guess I never thought that playing as a woman character would have the same plot.
As much as I think a woman can have just as much power as a guy I just find it unnatural. You'd also thing that Lord Revan & Malak would have fallen in love being so close and would have given birth to Sith babies. If Revan was a woman I would hate Malak even more. I no matter how hard I tried could never kill a woman. I realise she would have had to have been more powerfull than most men but still. I dont know finding out Revan could have been a woman crushed me sorta. But hey they should develop Revan being a woman than they could say they had kids and have a revenge on the Jedi for killing my father and mother thing happen. Like the kids of those two jedi/sith would have one of the highest metachlorian(Not sire if correct spelling) counts ever, even higher than anikin skywalkers. No Jedi could stand in there way except Darth Revan himself.

Lets say twins. They were raised by what remains of the sith, Never told that Revan there mother wasnt killed and eventually went on to take out Lord Malak there father and said the deed of killing Lord Malak was Bastilla's alone. Lets say they lead the remains of the sith to a republic base where Bastilla is and they kill her. On her death bed they tell them that there father is still alive so than they have to track down all the people that helped Revan in Kotor. They than have to go track down Revan. And when they do Revan tells them of what he has found there. What he went off in search of in the first place. They than take out what ever it is. I honestly am not sure what it could be. Something strong in the Darkside of the Force but other than that im not sure. This off course would require sacrificing alot of Revan's Gender neutralness and would have to have a romance between Revan and Malak. But in my opinion it would make a good game. Just the beginning with the bloodshed of an entire republic base could be a little repulsive but eh how else could you get to Bastilla taking out a jedi academy that could ruin cause alot of incunsistencies. For starters the jedi population being what it is there probally wouldnt be enough jedi remaining to teach. Finding students wouldnt be that hard theres always the story of people being taken from there crummy rock on the outer rim and being taken to an academy but than having the twins killing the last hope of jedi ever returning to the galaxy wouldnt be good. The base would be far better.

Im starting to get long but yes was suprised.

[fable]

If you have troubles struggling with the concept of a woman who is physically or mentally powerful, Jedi Thomas, try this thread, which points out scientifically how little difference there is between the sexes. Feel free to comment about that in that thread, if you wish.

For myself, I wasn't in the slightest surprised at the identity of the hero. It's an old cliche, and considering how cliched all the characters were in KotoR, I thought it fit right in. Just my POV.

[Suicide Girl]

@ Jedi Thomas

Admittedly, I didn't really understand half of your post, give me a moment or two... But since I played KotOR as a female character, I was thrilled about being Revan. Finally a Dark Female Jedi!! Let's be honest here, the SW franchise really lacked that sort of thing...

And I entertained the thought of Revan and Malak being more than just master and apprentice. It would be cool. Let's just ignore the fact that I have always been a hardcore Lightsider...

Now I'll go read your Revan&Malak story.

P.S. I think it's midichlorians or midiclorians, but bah don't ask me...

P.P.S. I've just checked at starwars.com. It's midi-chlorians. Geez, what a geek I am...

[Jedi Thomas]

Ya I guess

Ya makes sence sorta that women can be as violent as men but thats not my point. I agree a female could be leader but think of this. How many leaders of world powers have there been? Only a handful. Queen Elizibeth I for one but during her entire reign I dont think there was a single war. Cleopatra was another but I dont know enough about her to know wether or not she led her empire into war. The idea that awoman could be the leader of a empire capable to bring the entire galaxy under their control and as well start a war against the jedi in my mind is poposturous.

Sorry if I upset people and have my evidence wrong and if you want you can call me on it and provide evidence of your own but remember I am talking about not being able to grasp the idea of a female leader being the head of a super power and causing a war against another super power.

[Caden]

I think, the fact that there are more male gamers out there who played kotor than female gamers and that likely leads more to the probability of the main character being male, vs female, would've been a much ... simpler argument. Besides you'd be surprised what some people could do, and I don't think sex or muscular str has anything to do with mastery of the force. That midi-chlorian bacteria stuff does.

[Suicide Girl]

But let's be honest... Most women are wicked. Being a rather unoppressive (as in not oppressive and aggressive) female myself, I've experienced the full blast of feminine hatred through several stages of life, and we should all know females are just as capable of being evil war-mongers as men are, if not even worse than them, because most chicks really have no problem with backstabbing and behind-the-scenes intrigues, cheating and mind-games. Cosmopolitan women are evil, you mark my words.

I guess the only reason women don't shine in history as leaders of great wars (if such a position could be considered "shiny") is that throughout human history women have been considered less worthy than men. They couldn't have been great leaders because men wouldn't have followed them.

I didn't mean to offend anyone, least of all Cosmopolitan women.

But the idea of a female Revan... No matter how evil she was, when I listened to Canderous say how great a tactician she was, I was kind of turned on. Revan was a cool babe, especially when she turned back to the light.

[fable]

Guys, as I suggested, there's a thread in SYM for this kind of off-topic discussion about women in power. (By the way, Jedi Thomas--a major war between England and Spain occurred during the reign of Elizabeth I.) Feel free to carry it on there, or start your own SYM thread about it. But please stick here to the subject of whether the main character's identity was a shock, in this thread. Otherwise, I'll close it, because this isn't the place for spam. Enjoyable as it would be.

[Chimaera182]

[QUOTE=Suicide Girl]Cosmopolitan women are evil, you mark my words.[/QUOTE]
That just cracked me up. If only because it's true.

While I think it's certainly possible Revan could have been female, I'd have to say that, if Revan has to be "decided" in a third game or something, Revan'd be a 'he.' And not just because of the whole "great female leaders of history" bit; there was Elizabeth I (who kicks butt, btw), but there was also Joan of Arc and Catherine the Great, Czarina of Russia. But there's a reason we choose what gender we want Revan to be, so that we can decide whether Revan's a man or a woman; I tend to switch, and am playing with a female one in a recent game. So why bother having to choose between whether Revan's male or female? The only reason I suggested that Revan is more likely male is because the Sith tend to be predominantly male. They probably wouldn't have trouble taking orders from a woman, but more often than not, it's a man at the top: Malak, Uthar Wynn, Sion, Nihilus, Traya (who was a woman but cast down by two males), Sidious. Besides, something's a bit more appealing about a male character hooking up with Bastila than a female one hooking up with Carth, and even though Jedi aren't supposed to form those kinds of attachments, it feels more realistic.

But, as fable said, the idea of the redemption of a fallen hero is cliche. Probably that's just the cynic in me talking, but even when I figured out for myself who Revan was, I just wasn't shocked by it. I hope in future, there will be something less predictable than some fallen hero trying for redemption. It's about as old as the earth itself and has been trampled to death (the Jedi Order, fallen from grace, no longer the friend of the Republic but enemy of the Empire, being redeemed through Luke; Kyle Katarn, after falling to the dark side in Mysteries of the Sith, gives up being a Jedi, but reclaims his power and becomes a Jedi Knight in order to save his friend [although he does it mostly out of lust for vengeance]).

[KyLewin]

Well, to go back to the point of this thread for a moment, I must admit that I didn't figure it out until Malak said something to the effect of "You really don't know?" At that moment I distinctly remember feeling my heart drop into my stomach as I realized that I was, in fact, responsible for pretty much ever crappy thing going on in the universe at that moment.
I just stared at the screen while the cut scene ran through and little snipits of dialog all fell into place. It was (to me at least) jaw dropping. I remembered being a little confused about Vorook's comments when they were considering me for training, but just dismissed it since the old guy was kind of a bastard about everything.
I played a nearly 100% lightsider (still did the assassin quest, but had more than enough goody-two-shoes points to make up for it) so that may have forced my attention away from the idea that my character could possibly have once been evil, but regardless I was floored.
As for the redemption of a fallen hero being a cliche, I agree to an extent, but I don't think that it falls completely under the cliche title. While it has been used fairly frequently, people haven't seemed to grow tired of it (thus it doesn't lose its emotional power as chiches are supposed to do). We all (or at least most of us) like to see the former hero come to his senses in time to save the world/universe/whatever.
And while I don't doubt that Revan could have been female and could have led an army, I just can't see it. Call me a sexist male or whatever, but that's how I feel. Probably more to do with stereotypes than I'd like to admit, but I could never see Revan as anything but a man...the Exile on the other hand, I always thought of as a woman (I guess I'm not sexist after all).

[Revan Reborn]

I started playing KotOR reciently, and beat it today.

Likewise, I kinda had a hunch of what was going on after Malak said that, but it didn't really hit me until the cut scene showed Revan taking off his mask.

[DaveO]

In a way, the major spoiler is not unlike the second Star Wars movie where Darth Vader tells Luke Skywalker why he's special to him. I definitely had the feeling of being in Luke's shoes when the "bomb" was dropped. If a game can achieve that, it does not matter if the theme is cliched.

[Hill-Shatar]

[QUOTE=DaveO]In a way, the major spoiler is not unlike the second Star Wars movie where Darth Vader tells Luke Skywalker why he's special to him. I definitely had the feeling of being in Luke's shoes when the "bomb" was dropped. If a game can achieve that, it does not matter if the theme is cliched. [/QUOTE]

Although I can agree with the sentiment that it was different, I was still somewhat surprised. Not overly though, since they kinda of gave away at the beginning that you were special.

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