Assassine of Gods

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 6:55 am

[QUOTE=sithari]for the ioun stones why spend money when u can do the some thing for free with Circle Magic

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I forgot about that. Good call. Circle magic is indeed the way to go.

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:02 am

What worries me is the damage you have to do if you want to kill a god. Death spells and other instant destroy spells (except those without saves) won't work since they allways roll a 20.

sithari · Post by **sithari** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:05 am

i havent desided... idont want to kill a god i just want to bacome one... but my dm says that he will allow only to ways:kill a god or discover how Vecna did it... he just wants to destrtoy me!!!lol! thats why he tells the 2nd way, he doesn't know how Vecna did it, neither do i.so... I dont care which god will be but i want the magic domain...

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:11 am

[QUOTE=Fiberfar]What worries me is the damage you have to do if you want to kill a god. Death spells and other instant destroy spells (except those without saves) won't work since they allways roll a 20.[/QUOTE]

That's why I said you should use the Holy Word type spells. They kill anything of a certain alignment if its HD are 10 or more less than your caster level. With NO SAVE. Hence the importance of getting all the Orange Ioun Stones.

sithari · Post by **sithari** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:13 am

some help with the Holy Word spells(???)

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:26 am

Ummmm... Holy Word is a cleric spell

Jormund · Post by **Jormund** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:30 am

Not only the god him\herself, you also have too count on the god's armies and avatars and worshippers, etc. Besides, gods do have alliances, f.ex. if you want to kill Pelor, you can count on meetong Heironeus or St.Cuthbert's armies as well. All in all, the only way too kill a god is to be a god yourself, abd the only way to become a god strong enough is too be part of the Creation of a new world or something. Remember Vecna is a Lesser God.

But really, this is a very unserious discussion.

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:35 am

[QUOTE=Fiberfar]Ummmm... Holy Word is a cleric spell

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Go back to my first post and replace every instance of "wizard" with "cleric"

(Aside, Holy Word is supposedly balanced for it's level, so a DM would probably allow a wizard to research it.)

sithari · Post by **sithari** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:36 am

Who said iwanna be a greatergod?????????????
Indeed Vecna is a lesser god but still a god!anybody knows how he did it

the answer is simple:
I'm not a slave to a god that dont exist
I'm not a slave to a world that doesn't give a ****.M.M.

I want it ALL

Jormund · Post by **Jormund** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:44 am

Either way, if I were a DM, and one of my players wanted to rise to godhood, I would say something like this: "Okay, but you must get all your ability stats to 22+, you must have a certian amount of followers, and you must have done something really big and important business for the domain you want to be connected to. Maybe you have to be granted a blessing by the god\godess who are supreme in that field." F.ex. your wizard would have to be blessed by Mystra, because she is the supreme Godess of Magic.

Something like that. hehe

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:50 am

You can claim an domain that has no god yet and get followers.
For an example look here.

Also, take a look at how Tchazzar aqcuired god-hood.

sithari · Post by **sithari** » Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:58 am

22+ fair enough. something important??? like researching new spells,rituals,items, keeping safe artifacts and other important works of the art and protecting,sponsoring and leading academies???
If u mean something like that consider it done.
u mean like a lesser god strongly allied with Mystra?no prombem!
THe motivation here is not the power,it is knowledge. i want to know everything about the Art and the only way to do this is to bacome a god with the magic domain. i think...
I wish u were my DM then

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:49 am

[QUOTE=sithari]...something important??? like researching new spells,rituals,items, keeping safe artifacts and other important works of the art and protecting,sponsoring and leading academies???[/QUOTE]
Actually I think that Rob-Hin was thinking more along the lines of Tchazzar's way to godhood (he mentioned him so...).

The short story of Tchazzar's way is:
Tchazzar was a charismatic war hero of Chessenta who united various city states to form a nation. He was known to do everything to the extreme, and some of his feast are becoming a legend of it own. His reign was long and by some are considered a golden age of Chessenta. In 1018 DR (current year is 1373 DR) he ride out alone to face a army of sahaugin bading his army to "feast and take ease, while he sharpen his sword" and was never seen again except in various visions of him standing atop of pile of dead sahaugin bloody sword in hand. He was never seen again and his body was never found, and his kingdom fell in less then a decade resulting in widespread destruction and civil war, consequences of which are still felt in Chessenta. In time some people begin to revere "The Great Red Dragon" (Tchazzar's battle standard) as a deity. Many people in Chessenta worship him and belive that he will return one day and bringing a new golden age to their torn county.
Keep in mind that Tchazzar was in reality a Red Dragon and that his way took century or two but...

sithari · Post by **sithari** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:48 am

Nice story...But did he actually bacome a god? if he managed it i think i'll follow this way.What about domains?

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:02 pm

From Lost Empires of Faerun:

Tchazzar
Alighnment: CE
Domains: Scalykind, Strength, War
Portfolios: Battle, Chessenta, Strength, Victory
Weapon: Longsword

It did not said what level of deity he was, but I'd say he was Demigod.

So yes, he did become god, but his tenure was rather short because soon after his ascension he was attacked and killed by Tiamat who subsumed Chessenta as part of her portfolio.

Grimar · Post by **Grimar** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:34 pm

all i can say is. IF the DM decides you can kill a god, you can....
how you do it is another problem. wasn't there a sword which could be used to kill gods? have heard of one once.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:13 pm

Somehow the words "God's bane" or "Bane of the gods" come to mind.
Not sure of that's official material though?

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:37 am

[QUOTE=Grimar]wasn't there a sword which could be used to kill gods? have heard of one once.[/QUOTE]
Yes it was. The sword's name was Godsbane and Cyric used it to kill Leira. What you need to know is that Godsbane was not a magical weapon, it's an avatar of Mask.

Mr.Waesel · Post by **Mr.Waesel** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:47 pm

There's a dagger in Faiths & Pantheons that's supposed to kill gods. It's +5 adn ignores any divine bonues to AC.

Ripe · Post by **Ripe** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:11 pm

[QUOTE=Mr.Waesel]There's a dagger in Faiths & Pantheons that's supposed to kill gods. It's +5 adn ignores any divine bonues to AC.[/QUOTE]
That's right I forgot about that one. The item you're refering is Jathiman dagger +5 unholy dagger that ignores any divine bonues to AC.