Hello fellow Malkavs, dark brothers and sisters too,
I am trying to make two crazed minds whole, but don't seem to have the necessary skills of vocubulary? I have Persuasion times Five, I get blue responses all the way until the last 2-3 sentences, and suddenly the colour of the moonlit night eludes me and I am stuck with sane answers. Thus, I can't convince the ladies to do anything but kill one or the other. When I beg them to give me the gun, Therese says she can't trust her sister, I get only one response, and can ask them to give me the gun again.
Other than that, there is the choice..ebony or ivory? black or white? I don't want any of them to die..why can't I make them love eachother and be one person once again?
The voices....the EYES!!!
How to make ebony and ivory whole once again? (Jeanette and Therese)
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Madame Mina
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Lady_Lithium
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If I'm not mistaken the last few answers should be telling the two sisters how to treat one another. Select one and then the other and then Therese should just give you the gun. If all else fails, just pick the answers that seem the least homicide-inducing. 
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Madame Mina
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There's actually an entire guide to this encounter. It's listed here, as Jeanette/Tourette guide. It lists all the dialogues for Malkavians.
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Madame Mina
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5 Persuasion is as unneeded as a Cainite with only one fang? I made them unite into one body with 4. Only have 1 seduction aswell. You just have to ponder carefully about your answers after the Persuasive ones stop..persuading.
Ahh, I feel so much better now that I didn't have to end either life prematurely.
Ahh, I feel so much better now that I didn't have to end either life prematurely.
Question about J and T
What is up with the way that scene is rendered? You never see both women at the same time. Is this because they're really both the same woman, and she has a split personality? How can one of them shoot the other then? Does she just shoot herself, and one of the personalities "dies" ?
I guess that makes sense, since a simple gunshot wouldn't do anything to a Kindred beyond making a hole.
It's a very strangely animated scene, with half the model's hair down, the other half in a Jeanette-style ponytail .. I was confused.
What is up with the way that scene is rendered? You never see both women at the same time. Is this because they're really both the same woman, and she has a split personality? How can one of them shoot the other then? Does she just shoot herself, and one of the personalities "dies" ?
I guess that makes sense, since a simple gunshot wouldn't do anything to a Kindred beyond making a hole.
It's a very strangely animated scene, with half the model's hair down, the other half in a Jeanette-style ponytail .. I was confused.
[QUOTE=TheoParke]What is up with the way that scene is rendered? You never see both women at the same time. Is this because they're really both the same woman, and she has a split personality? How can one of them shoot the other then? Does she just shoot herself, and one of the personalities "dies" ?
I guess that makes sense, since a simple gunshot wouldn't do anything to a Kindred beyond making a hole.
It's a very strangely animated scene, with half the model's hair down, the other half in a Jeanette-style ponytail .. I was confused.[/QUOTE]
SPOILERS
Yes, Jeanette and Therese are the same person (or vampire, or whatever). She is a "Malkavian" plagued with the mental derangement of a split personality. Unfortunately, for you, this is a fairly well kept secret (particularly as neither Therese or Jeanette are aware they are the same person), and is meant to be somewhat of a surprise by the time you get to the scene (though, there are certainly clues). The vampire as a whole can be known as "Tourette", though this name just appears after you "reconcile" them.
In the final scene, the odd hair is an indication that half of the vampire in front of you is Jeanette (the poney tailed side), and the other half is Therese (the more polished side).
As far as the pistol is concerned, it's more of a "symbol" than anything. No, of course, it wouldn't kill the physical vampire. But, if used, it would kill either Jeantte or Therese in a psychologial way (meaning that the two dueling personalities each think it will kill the other, so it will on a psychological level.)
I guess that makes sense, since a simple gunshot wouldn't do anything to a Kindred beyond making a hole.
It's a very strangely animated scene, with half the model's hair down, the other half in a Jeanette-style ponytail .. I was confused.[/QUOTE]
SPOILERS
Yes, Jeanette and Therese are the same person (or vampire, or whatever). She is a "Malkavian" plagued with the mental derangement of a split personality. Unfortunately, for you, this is a fairly well kept secret (particularly as neither Therese or Jeanette are aware they are the same person), and is meant to be somewhat of a surprise by the time you get to the scene (though, there are certainly clues). The vampire as a whole can be known as "Tourette", though this name just appears after you "reconcile" them.
In the final scene, the odd hair is an indication that half of the vampire in front of you is Jeanette (the poney tailed side), and the other half is Therese (the more polished side).
As far as the pistol is concerned, it's more of a "symbol" than anything. No, of course, it wouldn't kill the physical vampire. But, if used, it would kill either Jeantte or Therese in a psychologial way (meaning that the two dueling personalities each think it will kill the other, so it will on a psychological level.)
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ForgottenChilde
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Actually... I think Jeanette knows that she and Therese are the same woman... because as a Malkavian, the initial conversation between the character and Jeanette she comments on how right you are by calling the sisters "daughters of Janus" (who is the god with two faces)... Anyway... I'm really not sure if it actually means anything...
However... after the first few persuasion lines there aren't anymore, just don't tell them to murder each other and they should be getting along in no time.
However... after the first few persuasion lines there aren't anymore, just don't tell them to murder each other and they should be getting along in no time.
"Apocolyptic and insane, my dreams will never change."
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
[QUOTE=ForgottenChilde]Actually... I think Jeanette knows that she and Therese are the same woman... because as a Malkavian, the initial conversation between the character and Jeanette she comments on how right you are by calling the sisters "daughters of Janus" (who is the god with two faces)... Anyway... I'm really not sure if it actually means anything...
However... after the first few persuasion lines there aren't anymore, just don't tell them to murder each other and they should be getting along in no time.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure we can draw from this singular statement that Jeanette knows. The statement was metaphoric, and Jeanette seems to respond much more to the notion that she is the good "ivory" while Therese is the darkness.
Personally, I find all the evidence in the game suggesting to the contrary (i.e. If you ask Therese where Jeanette is upon first meeting her, she will tell you she locked herself in the bathroom, etc.). Now, they are Malkavians and, as such, quite insane. So, it's possible that whether or not they share a body has ceased being an issue of concern to them. But, that seems unlikely.
However... after the first few persuasion lines there aren't anymore, just don't tell them to murder each other and they should be getting along in no time.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure we can draw from this singular statement that Jeanette knows. The statement was metaphoric, and Jeanette seems to respond much more to the notion that she is the good "ivory" while Therese is the darkness.
Personally, I find all the evidence in the game suggesting to the contrary (i.e. If you ask Therese where Jeanette is upon first meeting her, she will tell you she locked herself in the bathroom, etc.). Now, they are Malkavians and, as such, quite insane. So, it's possible that whether or not they share a body has ceased being an issue of concern to them. But, that seems unlikely.
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ForgottenChilde
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As I said before, I don't actually know if the statement means anything... but it did strick me as a little odd that she would say you were right whilst calling her two-faced.
"Apocolyptic and insane, my dreams will never change."
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
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yrthwyndandfyre
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Personally, I think they are aware that they are the same person to some extent. I can see Therese being a little miffed by her sister's depredations to some degree, even if she is a total prude. As angry as she gets, though, I've got to think that what makes her more angry than her sister's depredations is that she's aware that Jeanette is performing her 'disgusting acts' using Therese' body, and Therese is aware of this. That, in turn, is Jeanette's motivation for doing it. She knows that Therese knows, and does it especially to tick her off.
I mean, after all, she's consorting with Tung in the Biblical sense. What reason could she possibly have aside from, "Hey, sis. Look at what I've got your body doing NOW!" When she's Therese, I imagine that she still showers using pumice for soap.
I mean, after all, she's consorting with Tung in the Biblical sense. What reason could she possibly have aside from, "Hey, sis. Look at what I've got your body doing NOW!" When she's Therese, I imagine that she still showers using pumice for soap.
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ForgottenChilde
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[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]Personally, I think they are aware that they are the same person to some extent. I can see Therese being a little miffed by her sister's depredations to some degree, even if she is a total prude. As angry as she gets, though, I've got to think that what makes her more angry than her sister's depredations is that she's aware that Jeanette is performing her 'disgusting acts' using Therese' body, and Therese is aware of this. That, in turn, is Jeanette's motivation for doing it. She knows that Therese knows, and does it especially to tick her off.
I mean, after all, she's consorting with Tung in the Biblical sense. What reason could she possibly have aside from, "Hey, sis. Look at what I've got your body doing NOW!" When she's Therese, I imagine that she still showers using pumice for soap.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's just disgusting... But I completely agree... What other motivation could anyone at all possibly have for consorting with a nosferatu... unless she was dilusional and saw someone else... It happens sometimes...
I mean, after all, she's consorting with Tung in the Biblical sense. What reason could she possibly have aside from, "Hey, sis. Look at what I've got your body doing NOW!" When she's Therese, I imagine that she still showers using pumice for soap.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's just disgusting... But I completely agree... What other motivation could anyone at all possibly have for consorting with a nosferatu... unless she was dilusional and saw someone else... It happens sometimes...
"Apocolyptic and insane, my dreams will never change."
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]Personally, I think they are aware that they are the same person to some extent. I can see Therese being a little miffed by her sister's depredations to some degree, even if she is a total prude. As angry as she gets, though, I've got to think that what makes her more angry than her sister's depredations is that she's aware that Jeanette is performing her 'disgusting acts' using Therese' body, and Therese is aware of this. That, in turn, is Jeanette's motivation for doing it. She knows that Therese knows, and does it especially to tick her off.
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Well, again, that's a distinct possibility. My only reason for not backing the theory is that we don't really have the evidence to support the claim. And, quite frankly, the majority of evidence (locked door incident, separate computers, other Kindred's conception of them, Therese's statement that she embraced Jeanette, their recountings of their childhood traumas and the attempt at killing each other) seems to support the notion that they don't really know. Regardless, I don't think its too important one way or the other. And, it certainly is a question where no conclusive answer can be given.
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Well, again, that's a distinct possibility. My only reason for not backing the theory is that we don't really have the evidence to support the claim. And, quite frankly, the majority of evidence (locked door incident, separate computers, other Kindred's conception of them, Therese's statement that she embraced Jeanette, their recountings of their childhood traumas and the attempt at killing each other) seems to support the notion that they don't really know. Regardless, I don't think its too important one way or the other. And, it certainly is a question where no conclusive answer can be given.
[QUOTE=shana]Don't you think they would have noticed that they only own one bed??[/QUOTE]
That's a good point. Though, its possible, the Asylum contains another room somewhere (though, it certainly isn't in the game) and its possible they even envision themselves sharing a bed. It's a difficult question, and one that its impossible to conclusively know the answer to (without a developer chiming in). There's bits of evidence pointing one way or the other, and, quite frankly, it may have been a question that the developers didn't think to ask themselves. It's, ultimately, not terribly consequential, I suppose.
That's a good point. Though, its possible, the Asylum contains another room somewhere (though, it certainly isn't in the game) and its possible they even envision themselves sharing a bed. It's a difficult question, and one that its impossible to conclusively know the answer to (without a developer chiming in). There's bits of evidence pointing one way or the other, and, quite frankly, it may have been a question that the developers didn't think to ask themselves. It's, ultimately, not terribly consequential, I suppose.
I just ran through that part of the game again, the whole Jeanette/Therese storyline, and I realized that one of the things adding to my confusion is the portrait of the man with the two small children on the wall of the haven above the Asylum bar. The children appear to be identical twins. If Jeanette and Therese inhabit the same body, there would have to be a very interesting story about the origins of this painting which is yet untold ..
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ForgottenChilde
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[QUOTE=TheoParke]I just ran through that part of the game again, the whole Jeanette/Therese storyline, and I realized that one of the things adding to my confusion is the portrait of the man with the two small children on the wall of the haven above the Asylum bar. The children appear to be identical twins. If Jeanette and Therese inhabit the same body, there would have to be a very interesting story about the origins of this painting which is yet untold ..[/QUOTE]
At one time they were two separate people, I assume.
At one time they were two separate people, I assume.
"Apocolyptic and insane, my dreams will never change."
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
Even in knowing where the path will lead, I would gladly take the dead end road so that you would not die alone.
Why is it that I'm drawn to treasonous bastards?
[QUOTE=ForgottenChilde]At one time they were two separate people, I assume.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that you can assume this at all. It's pretty clear that Therese and Jeanette have always been one person; that person simply suffers from a split personality. I really don't think that there can be much debate about that. We're simply debating whether Therese and Jeanette (sides of this personality) realized they were inhabiting the same body. On that issue the evidence is less conclusive, though I tend to think they are not aware.
I don't think that you can assume this at all. It's pretty clear that Therese and Jeanette have always been one person; that person simply suffers from a split personality. I really don't think that there can be much debate about that. We're simply debating whether Therese and Jeanette (sides of this personality) realized they were inhabiting the same body. On that issue the evidence is less conclusive, though I tend to think they are not aware.