Terror Tax? Shall we litteraly pay for our 'insolence'?
Today, I read in the papers that London is considering an extra tax for hunting down terrorists. The hunt for the recent bombers has cost the government an estimated €750,000 extra per day and the normal drug and homicide cases are mostly frozen.
Also, because of safety precautions, it is no longer permitted to protest in the vicinity of the parlaimentary buildings. []You can still protest, as long as you do it somewhere remote where it doesn't bother anyone.[/sarcasm]
In Holland you can now get arrested for empathizing* with terrorist organizations. This is to prevent supporters to 'contaminate' citizens with the 'terrorist-virus'.
*lacking better translation: to explain the terrorist's actions to another person, to give motives etc.
Are these measures (small) terrorist victories, or do you think a couple of those laws don't make a difference, meaning they haven't achieved anything yet?
Terror Tax & Limited Freedom of Speech
Terror Tax & Limited Freedom of Speech
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At least the Brits are having it stated plainly as a "terror tax." In the US, Shrub simply cut away everything in the budget (including revenues intended for the states) and put them towards defense spending and the new budgetary bloat, his agency to intercept possible terrorist threats before they form.
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I didn't know this kind of thing was happening in Holland too. I have heard prosposals that bookshops which sell "terrorist texts" should be liable to be closed, as well, in the UK. I don't really see these things as victories for terrorists. I don't really believe these people hate us for what we are rather than for what we do, and I don't think their aim is to change our laws for more repressive ones. I could be wrong about that.
I do know that every government we have had since the 1980's seems to want to make our laws more prescriptive and more repressive. The proposals to issue ID cards have been wheeled out many times and on each occasion a different reason has been given. The things they were necessary to prevent included football hooliganism; fraud; terrorism; illegal immigration. There may be more reasons which I have forgotten. I conclude that governments want ID cards. I do not know why they want them. At the start people in Britain were generally opposed to ID cards on principled grounds,I think. The repeated proposals seem to have worked like an advertising jingle, however. The idea has been heard often enough to habituate people and they are no longer so against it. Mostly the debate now seems to revolve around the cost, rather than the principles.
It is possible the things you describe are a victory for government rather than terrorists.
I do know that every government we have had since the 1980's seems to want to make our laws more prescriptive and more repressive. The proposals to issue ID cards have been wheeled out many times and on each occasion a different reason has been given. The things they were necessary to prevent included football hooliganism; fraud; terrorism; illegal immigration. There may be more reasons which I have forgotten. I conclude that governments want ID cards. I do not know why they want them. At the start people in Britain were generally opposed to ID cards on principled grounds,I think. The repeated proposals seem to have worked like an advertising jingle, however. The idea has been heard often enough to habituate people and they are no longer so against it. Mostly the debate now seems to revolve around the cost, rather than the principles.
It is possible the things you describe are a victory for government rather than terrorists.
[QUOTE=ik911]In Holland you can now get arrested for empathizing* with terrorist organizations. This is to prevent supporters to 'contaminate' citizens with the 'terrorist-virus'.
*lacking better translation: to explain the terrorist's actions to another person, to give motives etc.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't sound good, do you have a link somewhere? Also, do you know how this law would be applied? Do you have to be Sinn Fein to be guilty or is it enough just being me?
*lacking better translation: to explain the terrorist's actions to another person, to give motives etc.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't sound good, do you have a link somewhere? Also, do you know how this law would be applied? Do you have to be Sinn Fein to be guilty or is it enough just being me?
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And watch the snails go whizzing by, It's foolish but it's fun
And watch the snails go whizzing by, It's foolish but it's fun
I have links... But they're all dutch.
Apologeticals for warcrimes and homicides, including terrorist attacks, as well as glorification or denial of those can soon* be punishable with up to one year of emprisonment. People who deny the holocaust ever happened, which is particulary popular among 'White Nationalists'**, or imams seeding hate, can then be locked up.
* A definite law is being formed now and has yet to pass, but a majority of the govt. has already approved in a debate last februari.
** Most of them say the holocaust was 'exaggerated'. But some... Don't open <edit: link removed - Xandax> if (stupid nonsense that gives you) goosebumps kill(s) you... If you are a muscular 6' white nationalist, ignore the previous sentence and I'll buy you a beer.
Apologeticals for warcrimes and homicides, including terrorist attacks, as well as glorification or denial of those can soon* be punishable with up to one year of emprisonment. People who deny the holocaust ever happened, which is particulary popular among 'White Nationalists'**, or imams seeding hate, can then be locked up.
* A definite law is being formed now and has yet to pass, but a majority of the govt. has already approved in a debate last februari.
** Most of them say the holocaust was 'exaggerated'. But some... Don't open <edit: link removed - Xandax> if (stupid nonsense that gives you) goosebumps kill(s) you... If you are a muscular 6' white nationalist, ignore the previous sentence and I'll buy you a beer.
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[QUOTE=Soulforged]Also: Have the british gone a little to far to let their public autorithy just kill any "suspicious" of "terrorism"? I mean that is state terrorism, and can lead to unsuspected endings like the brazilian guy executed on the ground...[/QUOTE]
If you want to make broad assumptions like this--and I would hope you wouldn't, but still--please use Fas' It's hunting season....sssssh i am hunting muslims thread, and let's leave this one to its own purpose: the so-called "terror tax," okay?
If you want to make broad assumptions like this--and I would hope you wouldn't, but still--please use Fas' It's hunting season....sssssh i am hunting muslims thread, and let's leave this one to its own purpose: the so-called "terror tax," okay?
To the Righteous belong the fruits of violent victory. The rest of us will have to settle for warm friends, warm lovers, and a wink from a quietly supportive universe.
[QUOTE=ik911] Don't open <link removed> if (stupid nonsense that gives you) goosebumps kill(s) you... If you are a muscular 6' white nationalist, ignore the previous sentence and I'll buy you a beer.[/QUOTE]
Wow. That's just great Try removing the suffixes and just heading over to stormfront.org if this interests you
Wow. That's just great
Try removing the suffixes and just heading over to stormfront.org if this interests you Mag: Don't remember much at all of last night do you?
Me: put simply.... No
Mag: From what I put together of your late night drunken ramblings? Vodka, 3 girls, and then we played tic-tac-toe and slapped each other around.
Me: put simply.... No
Mag: From what I put together of your late night drunken ramblings? Vodka, 3 girls, and then we played tic-tac-toe and slapped each other around.
I know ik911 had no ill intentions when he posted that link but could a mod still remove it. I don't tolerate any sites that condone racism, bigotry or violence and that site which I have unfortunately come across before falls within all three of these and many more.
The reason I'd like it removed is that there is a much younger generation of people posting on GB then in the past and in the same aspect that I wouldn't let my younger brothers be exposed to such rubbish, I also wouldn't want anyone here to be exposed to it as well and frankly the less publicity that the site gets the better...
I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, and I would hope nothing happens to anybody but I find even links to that website very offensive. Could a mod please remove it.
The reason I'd like it removed is that there is a much younger generation of people posting on GB then in the past and in the same aspect that I wouldn't let my younger brothers be exposed to such rubbish, I also wouldn't want anyone here to be exposed to it as well and frankly the less publicity that the site gets the better...
I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, and I would hope nothing happens to anybody but I find even links to that website very offensive. Could a mod please remove it.
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I agree.
Do not link to such material from GameBanshee please.
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