Thief most powefull PC?

LopLop · Post by **LopLop** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:26 pm

I think the thief(namely I) can be the most powerful class in the game with a powerful long sword equipped and the backstab multiplier. Let me know what everyone else thinks

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Genesis · Post by **Genesis** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:35 pm

Well...the problem with thieves is that if they happen to fail thier backstab...say theres a stoneskin there or maybe its a barbarian thats immune to backstab...they kinda just suck for melee. So nah...backstabs nice but...most powerful?...

nael · Post by **nael** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:37 pm

just remember that the backstab can only be done once. most powerful PC doesn't mean the one who can deliver the most damage with one hit. a kensai/thief can use the kai shot, and has the extra proficiency slots for weapon specialization for even more damage when doing a backstab.

LopLop · Post by **LopLop** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 12:49 pm

I should have said most powerful "true class".

Kovi · Post by **Kovi** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 1:07 pm

Is a sorcerer a true class?

Blobbas · Post by **Blobbas** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 1:17 pm

Originally posted by Kovi:
Is a sorcerer a true class?

Yes he is.

arattanir · Post by **arattanir** » Mon Mar 19, 2001 6:28 pm

The most powerful class is the kensai/mage. All nice proficencies plus all the nice spells.

Need stealth? Cast improve invisibility + cloak of nondetection then disintegrate foe. More effective than backstab.

Firkaag? cloudkill 2 times/ stoneskin/Lightning bolt 2 times and he is dead. If he is not, finish him with kai ability + tenser's transformation, using the dragonkiller sword.

Bodhi? incendiary cloud + Daystar's ability plus magic missiles and she is a goner.

Irenicus? Summon Nishru, get out of the way and when his spells are off, kill him with kai, tenser's transformation kit.

Final Irenicus? Cast own demons and beasts and wait while they kill each other. Then turn to the slayer + improvements and finish him off.

LopLop · Post by **LopLop** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 5:48 am

Oh I do not doubt the "power" of the Kensai/mage. However, with the thief I can become invisible and non-detectable(with the cloak). If I am around level 19 or so my THACO with a good short sword; and one of the girdles of giant strenght; is around a 4 or so. With the plus 4 from backstab it is low enough to hit most anything. put a couple of enchantments to hit and I will do like 60+ dmg. To a mage that means almost utter death!!!

LopLop · Post by **LopLop** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 5:54 am

Actually if you think about it with the girdle, that plus four short sword, the base could be 18Dmg. 1d6 + 4 +8(str bonus). Multiply the backstab *5 = 90dmg.

WOOOHOOO

LopLop the flying teddy bear has spoken!!

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 7:43 am

Oh oh. These cans of worms again...

kopywrite · Post by **kopywrite** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 7:53 am

LOL calling all power gamers!! Post here!!How great is your THAC0?? etc

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 8:02 am

Check out a thread about backstabbing - done to death, some fool got 256 or something.

Call for Pat Bou regarding PC's - he'll sell you the sorcerer till you almost believe him

Its all in the old pages my friends. I know you're lazy but we can't be arsed either.

Genesis · Post by **Genesis** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 8:06 am

Backstabs are the most powerful single attack in the game (no argument there). It is however only good if it connects...

KensaiRyu · Post by **KensaiRyu** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 8:35 am

(GETTING ON SOAP BOX)
Ok level 12/16 kensai mage with 5+ in Flail, wielding FOA and Defender easthaven
casts improv haste,stoneskin, mirror image, blur, spirtual armor, spell immunity:enchantment, fireshield red, fireshield blue, improv invisiblity and lastly tensers transformation. 278 hp -6 thaco (never misses except crit), 20 attacks in 2 rnds (with lvl 50 rules because of grand mastery fix)
Now try to backstab me.
for your one attack (assuming it hits (lets say you dont miss), either the stoneskin stops it, or the mirror image) but you take 1-4+1 + 1-4+1 damage just for attacking me. As you are now visible i attack hitting you 9 out of 10 times (in 1 round) and doing 25-80 damage per hit while every other hit you could be slowed by the FOA (testing shows it slows about every 1 in 4 hits).Hmm thief dont sound very powerful 2 me.

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Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 8:41 am

Aw cr*p...

Now you gone and done it

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:32 am

There is no single best class in BG2. Leaving aside the issue of class-specific weapons, every character class needs to be evaluated in terms of specific threats, and the classes were deliberately created to interact and protect one another. Without the basic fighter-thief-cleric-mage grouping in some fashion in your game, you're dead.

And all other discussion of "best class" seems to me a little beside the point.

Genesis · Post by **Genesis** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:35 am

ROFL...

Dejavu anyone?

Kovi · Post by **Kovi** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:39 am

@KensaiRyu:

))
Now a little offtopic.
In another thread you are testing weapons, but we are all interested in the classes themselves. After we find the best equipment/weapon (set and skill) for a given class we can try to find which is the best fighting class.
Of course I meant those spellcaster duals, like that Kensai/Mage. We should find the best enhancements and than simply test them against each other (after starting the fight there would no more spells cast).
There are lot of participants like Kensai/Mage, Berserker/Mage, Ranger/Cleric, Berserker/Cleric or Fighter/Mage/Cleric.

[This message has been edited by Kovi (edited 03-20-2001).]

Kovi · Post by **Kovi** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 9:46 am

Ooops, while I wrote there were some new posts. I agree that there is no single "best" class (see my post on the other threads).
But we can focus on a specific ability (eg. fighting skills with all the enhancements) and see which can do better in that.

LopLop · Post by **LopLop** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 12:14 pm

I had a specific goal when I posted this site; to see how people view power versus versatility and something called the "fun factor".
So you see Fable I am totally aware of the importance of each class. for do you really assume that I would list the thief as The most powerful melee character? It is all relative i.e. fighter type classes will always be best at; you guessed it; fighting!

LopLop the flying teddy bear has spoken!!