New Party: "ECL Crazy"

krunchyfrogg · Post by **krunchyfrogg** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:10 am

Lemme know what you think:

femal drow monk 2/paladin 2/cleric or ilmater 26
(should I go monk 3 for still mind?)this is my cleric/tank

deep gnome rogue 1/monk 2/cleric of bane 1/illusionist 26
(maybe i will add one level to monk(still mind), and cleric (no xp penalty)and two to rogue(better sneak attack) and end up illusionist 22)this is my decoy/wizard

male drow bard 11/sorcerer 19
i am advancing him to bard 11, and will squat until sorcerer 10, when I will start advancing him normally and take an xp penalty after sorcerer 12 (maybe I'll squat for a while then too)

male drow sorcerer 29/paladin 1
I wont take that pally level until in heart of fury mode.

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i played through the prologue with no problems, but i have a bad feeling that my lack of tanks (even with that awesome decoy gnome) will come back to bite me.

Aerich · Post by **Aerich** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:48 pm

It looks fine. It may be tougher in the early going because your ECLs and early multiclassing mean that your average party level will be significantly lower than a "normal" party.

If you find yourself "losing" XP toward the mid-game because of your higher levels caused by a party of 4, adding characters wouldn't be a bad idea. A dedicated druid could add some versatility, and a pure barbarian (with later fighter, ranger, rogue, or wizard mix-ins) could fit nicely.

In one of my current games, I started with a party of 4 (including a dg monk) and added a couple of characters in the map before the Ice Temple (a pure sorc and a bard/druid).

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:35 am

Hey Krunchy, just curious for Icewind Roll playing reasons, why did you choose this party, like no tanks, two sorcerors. Only four charactors. No tanks?!?
Been a whilke since I played, but you think a bard or rouge level on ecan handle the thieving portions of the game, like locks and traps?

krunchyfrogg · Post by **krunchyfrogg** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:44 am

I dunno, I was just screwin around. I dont think i will go with this party (althogh the 4 person party is appealign)

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:04 am

Umm, hey don't let me discourage you Krunchy, I was only asking. Roll-playing is fun and be a varity of mixes, you know. From a perspective of FOrgotten Realms, it could be a real blast of fun. clerics, exciting I think

krunchyfrogg · Post by **krunchyfrogg** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:15 am

I know. I think I like the idea of keeping my casters single-classed though (or maybe a tiny dip into another class)

I like my Sorcerers with one level of Paladin (added after fireball), and my Clerics pure (unless they have a high charisma, when I might add a level of paladin there too).

wizzys usually start as a rogue (dont let that high intelligence go to waste) and add a monk and cleric of bane level if they are wise (this might not be worth it if there are good wizzy robes out there).

druids work well imho with either a level of monk, cleric of bane, or just having the elf as a race.

bards are neat, but i cant figure out how to best use them

Aerich · Post by **Aerich** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:17 pm

It is actually recommended to add a second level of paladin, not just one. Immunity to fear for the paladin/sorc and the +4 to saves against fear to characters within a certain radius is generally useful and can be life-saving at a critical part of the game.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:03 am

What can a level of Paladin and monk do?
As for Bard I played one to I think 15/15. I like her, she was a mix with ranger. An all around tough charactor. I tried a mix of every charactor in the game. I want to make a higher level bard for spells maxing and song use

krunchyfrogg · Post by **krunchyfrogg** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:22 am

[QUOTE=Patrick]What can a level of Paladin and monk do?
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the monk levels give a +3 on all saving throws, grants evasion, allow the wisdom bonus to AC, and allow me to be a tank without wearing armor. The paladin level allows me to use all weapons, gives the charisma bonus on all saving throws (which enhances the monks evasion), and i can now use the holy avenger. I will add 1 level of ranger to this build for dual-weilding, since i cant use a shield anyway.

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:42 am

So a good build may be a monk,paly, ranger. Ever play a monk all the way up. How does the wisdom bonus to AC work?

krunchyfrogg · Post by **krunchyfrogg** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:25 am

[QUOTE=Patrick]So a good build may be a monk,paly, ranger. Ever play a monk all the way up. How does the wisdom bonus to AC work?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it could be a good build. imo, a monk is like a spellcaster and you want to gain levels asap if thats the main part of your build.

a monks wisdom bonus is added to AC if you are wearing no armor and no shield.

a monk 1/ranger 1/paladin x might be a good build too. or monk 2 for ac vs. missiles (+1)

Patrick · Post by **Patrick** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:42 pm

SO does that AC Bonus apply to rings and cloak and robes or neckless.
That is such a boon for arcane spell castors

krunchyfrogg · Post by **krunchyfrogg** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:50 am

If i understand correctly, a monks wisdom bonus will always apply, as long as the armor slot is blank. So no robes.

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:20 am

[QUOTE=krunchyfrogg]Lemme know what you think:

femal drow monk 2/paladin 2/cleric or ilmater 26
(should I go monk 3 for still mind?)this is my cleric/tank

deep gnome rogue 1/monk 2/cleric of bane 1/illusionist 26
(maybe i will add one level to monk(still mind), and cleric (no xp penalty)and two to rogue(better sneak attack) and end up illusionist 22)this is my decoy/wizard

male drow bard 11/sorcerer 19
i am advancing him to bard 11, and will squat until sorcerer 10, when I will start advancing him normally and take an xp penalty after sorcerer 12 (maybe I'll squat for a while then too)

male drow sorcerer 29/paladin 1
I wont take that pally level until in heart of fury mode.

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i played through the prologue with no problems, but i have a bad feeling that my lack of tanks (even with that awesome decoy gnome) will come back to bite me.[/QUOTE]

1.: as this is one of my builds I would strongly recommend a 3rd monk level (speed boni on L3!)

2.: this looks like the JUPP DG -> so have a look at his guide - if I would choose this build I would add take the 3rd level for monk and rogue (2 cleric)

3.: wouldn't recommend this build

4.: aasimar and 2 Pal taken first!

be warned:

a party of 4 without muling or level-squatting could give less EXP then a party of 6!

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