Discussion about the ending (Spoilers!)
Hi.
I've just finished the game, and I'm dissapointed. The ending is crap, completely crap. While fighting in the building, I painted a scenario in my head, having a long and intensive fight against Lacroix, and after I've finished him off, I'd see myself as the new boss in town, shown by a nice cutscene or something.
Instead, I'm having a lame fight against his bodyguard, which turns to be extremely boring because I'm a melee-specced brujah and can't use my melee power against him, forcing me to use the glock which was the only ranged weapons I've saved in my inventory. The fight up there is very strange since the police will attack both of us.
I also question myself how the heck they're getting up on the roof.
Anyway, I killed him on my second attempt, but wasn't satisfied of the fight at all. I didn't care much though, since I "knew" Lacroix was the big fight I was waiting for. After I've finished him off, the loading window appears and suddently I'm inside Lacroix office. Instead of the "final fight" I've been longing for, a small cutscene appears, my character grabs the knife and attacks Lacroix with it. Sigh. Nothing more?
I've also always been curious about the sarcho and what it had inside, and it really dissapoints me when nothing is said about this. Inside, there's a bomb which Jack has planted. Hmpf?
A cutscene follows, which shows jack sitting far away, watching the explosion with the object from the sarcho next to him. What is this object? A doll made of tree? What more? Sigh, another thing that made me dissapointed. Is this everything? I was expecting so much more instead of this lame ending. So much more...
So, to summarize it all, it's a great game. One of the best singleplayer games I've ever played, with a strong story filled with tension. The items are perfect, and the disciplines, quests, characters, atmosphere, jokes, everything. The big problem though is the ending, which leaves me dissapointed and frustrated.
The game had the potential to be the best game ever, but of course, something like that will never happen.
Murphy's law working as intended.
Excuse me for my english, it's not my native language.
Kindest regards
Dealon
Discussion about the ending (Spoier!)
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yrthwyndandfyre
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There has been much discussion about the end-game in various threads, and the general opinion is similar to your conclusion. It reeks. The consensus is that they were forced to rush to release, and the end-game got clapped together in a hurry. This is true in a number of areas. Doubtlessly there were meant to be more bloodline options, and so forth.
The thing from inside the sarchopagus is Messerach, the one-eyed king (or rather a mummified dead Messerach). There has been a lot of lively debate about when Jack took the mummy and set the bomb, and why. Trust me, if you found out there was a bomb in the sarcophagus, there are endings that are worse. Check the walkthrough if you don't believe me.
The thing from inside the sarchopagus is Messerach, the one-eyed king (or rather a mummified dead Messerach). There has been a lot of lively debate about when Jack took the mummy and set the bomb, and why. Trust me, if you found out there was a bomb in the sarcophagus, there are endings that are worse. Check the walkthrough if you don't believe me.
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Wrath
Yeah Dealon, I share your point of view too: the ending is completly frustrating... I also didn't like the possible explanations about why and how Jack planted the bombs inside the coffin..
a game which had the greatest potential of ever ended in a sucky final....
(excuse my english, it's not my native language too :S)
Yeah Dealon, I share your point of view too: the ending is completly frustrating... I also didn't like the possible explanations about why and how Jack planted the bombs inside the coffin..
a game which had the greatest potential of ever ended in a sucky final....
(excuse my english, it's not my native language too :S)
"Feel my wrath!"
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[QUOTE=yrthwyndandfyre]There has been much discussion about the end-game in various threads, and the general opinion is similar to your conclusion. It reeks. The consensus is that they were forced to rush to release, and the end-game got clapped together in a hurry. This is true in a number of areas. Doubtlessly there were meant to be more bloodline options, and so forth.
The thing from inside the sarchopagus is Messerach, the one-eyed king (or rather a mummified dead Messerach). There has been a lot of lively debate about when Jack took the mummy and set the bomb, and why. Trust me, if you found out there was a bomb in the sarcophagus, there are endings that are worse. Check the walkthrough if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE]
Hi.
Ok, atleast is feels good to hear that I'm not alone feeling this way.
I've been reading the walkthrough, and can see that the other endings suck aswell. "tied up to the Ankaran Sarcophagus and dumped into the ocean." Geez.
[QUOTE=Wrath]Yeah Dealon, I share your point of view too: the ending is completly frustrating... I also didn't like the possible explanations about why and how Jack planted the bombs inside the coffin..
a game which had the greatest potential of ever ended in a sucky final....
(excuse my english, it's not my native language too :S)[/QUOTE]
as I said earlier, I'm happy to hear that I'm not alone feeling this. It's sad when this happens to games. The developers gets stressed because the release day is getting close, which causes them to make a sucky final that damages the game totally. :-(
The thing from inside the sarchopagus is Messerach, the one-eyed king (or rather a mummified dead Messerach). There has been a lot of lively debate about when Jack took the mummy and set the bomb, and why. Trust me, if you found out there was a bomb in the sarcophagus, there are endings that are worse. Check the walkthrough if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE]
Hi.
Ok, atleast is feels good to hear that I'm not alone feeling this way.
I've been reading the walkthrough, and can see that the other endings suck aswell. "tied up to the Ankaran Sarcophagus and dumped into the ocean." Geez.
[QUOTE=Wrath]Yeah Dealon, I share your point of view too: the ending is completly frustrating... I also didn't like the possible explanations about why and how Jack planted the bombs inside the coffin..
a game which had the greatest potential of ever ended in a sucky final....
(excuse my english, it's not my native language too :S)[/QUOTE]
as I said earlier, I'm happy to hear that I'm not alone feeling this. It's sad when this happens to games. The developers gets stressed because the release day is getting close, which causes them to make a sucky final that damages the game totally. :-(
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MalaksBane
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I don't think the ending reeked and I don't care about general opinions and consensus. The only reason I see the endiing being bad is because it came to soon, I would have liked a few more chapters, and then some more. But it has to end at some point.
I can see you point about possible difficulties for a melee specialist in the endfight and even though there are alternatives to just shooting the Bat from the sky, like letting the commando's shoot the bat while you protect them..., it can look impossible, or it may fail even if you use a decent alternative melee strategy. Perhaps a bit more polishing/balancing was required here, then again, I never really failed it (a retry or two is expected in a boss fight).
Becoming the Kindred ruler of LA seems a tad unrealistic for a neonate in the world of Vampire The Masquerade. If that was your expectation, then you were bound for disappointment no matter how much time Troika had spend on it.
Jack plays the Jyhad, like most older vampires, and he got a bit bored with LaCroix. So he planned for a bit of fireworks, perhaps not a failsafe plan, but one that would shake LA's Vampire scene and reshuffle the deck in his favour, in most scenario's. Nothing earthshattering, just one game in the tournament that is the Jyhad. Jack wins and you're just a pawn in that game, not the saviour, nor the ruler, of the world. That's vampire society, the ending reflects that just fine.
I can see you point about possible difficulties for a melee specialist in the endfight and even though there are alternatives to just shooting the Bat from the sky, like letting the commando's shoot the bat while you protect them..., it can look impossible, or it may fail even if you use a decent alternative melee strategy. Perhaps a bit more polishing/balancing was required here, then again, I never really failed it (a retry or two is expected in a boss fight).
Becoming the Kindred ruler of LA seems a tad unrealistic for a neonate in the world of Vampire The Masquerade. If that was your expectation, then you were bound for disappointment no matter how much time Troika had spend on it.
Jack plays the Jyhad, like most older vampires, and he got a bit bored with LaCroix. So he planned for a bit of fireworks, perhaps not a failsafe plan, but one that would shake LA's Vampire scene and reshuffle the deck in his favour, in most scenario's. Nothing earthshattering, just one game in the tournament that is the Jyhad. Jack wins and you're just a pawn in that game, not the saviour, nor the ruler, of the world. That's vampire society, the ending reflects that just fine.
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"Too many of us migh set them off like fundamentalists on contrary opinion."
[QUOTE=MalaksBane]
Jack plays the Jyhad, like most older vampires, and he got a bit bored with LaCroix. So he planned for a bit of fireworks, perhaps not a failsafe plan, but one that would shake LA's Vampire scene and reshuffle the deck in his favour, in most scenario's. Nothing earthshattering, just one game in the tournament that is the Jyhad. Jack wins and you're just a pawn in that game, not the saviour, nor the ruler, of the world. That's vampire society, the ending reflects that just fine.[/QUOTE]
You got a point fella. Looking from this point of view, yep, the end of the game isn't so bad... btw, it's realistic (heh, funny say that a Vampire game is realistic, but anyway...), specially because you're not the saviour, which is very intresting! (original to say the least).
Still, just like I said before, I didn't like any possible explanation to how Jack put those goddamn bombs inside the coffin. He had to kill all those kines inside Elizabeth Dane, and make it seem like an Antediluvian woke up and killed everybody... that's a hard sell... I don't buy it ( I think he may had another way to kill LaCroix... .
Jack plays the Jyhad, like most older vampires, and he got a bit bored with LaCroix. So he planned for a bit of fireworks, perhaps not a failsafe plan, but one that would shake LA's Vampire scene and reshuffle the deck in his favour, in most scenario's. Nothing earthshattering, just one game in the tournament that is the Jyhad. Jack wins and you're just a pawn in that game, not the saviour, nor the ruler, of the world. That's vampire society, the ending reflects that just fine.[/QUOTE]
You got a point fella. Looking from this point of view, yep, the end of the game isn't so bad... btw, it's realistic (heh, funny say that a Vampire game is realistic, but anyway...), specially because you're not the saviour, which is very intresting! (original to say the least).
Still, just like I said before, I didn't like any possible explanation to how Jack put those goddamn bombs inside the coffin. He had to kill all those kines inside Elizabeth Dane, and make it seem like an Antediluvian woke up and killed everybody... that's a hard sell... I don't buy it ( I think he may had another way to kill LaCroix... .
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Dealon...
I totally agree with you. The only thing I like about the ending, is the music that plays during the credits. I just recked my whole 'likeness' of the game.
When Beckett comes up to you and says 'Please don't open it! It'll be a disaster!' and all those strange emails, I just had a vision of the grand ending and the ancient rose and destryoed everything. But explosives?
(Though it was rather commical when you stabbed LaCroix, then gave him the key and left. :laugh: )
I totally agree with you. The only thing I like about the ending, is the music that plays during the credits. I just recked my whole 'likeness' of the game.
When Beckett comes up to you and says 'Please don't open it! It'll be a disaster!' and all those strange emails, I just had a vision of the grand ending and the ancient rose and destryoed everything. But explosives?
(Though it was rather commical when you stabbed LaCroix, then gave him the key and left. :laugh: )
[QUOTE=MalaksBane]I don't think the ending reeked and I don't care about general opinions and consensus. The only reason I see the endiing being bad is because it came to soon, I would have liked a few more chapters, and then some more. But it has to end at some point.[/QUOTE]
i have to agree with you on this as i think the endings were pretty good overall and the ones where you never even get to see what is in the sarcophagus as it never gets opened just added to the mystery for me (i did the camarilla ending first time through and it made me want to play again just to find out what was actually in the sarcophagus)
i have to agree with you on this as i think the endings were pretty good overall and the ones where you never even get to see what is in the sarcophagus as it never gets opened just added to the mystery for me (i did the camarilla ending first time through and it made me want to play again just to find out what was actually in the sarcophagus)
[QUOTE=Wrath]
Still, just like I said before, I didn't like any possible explanation to how Jack put those goddamn bombs inside the coffin. He had to kill all those kines inside Elizabeth Dane, and make it seem like an Antediluvian woke up and killed everybody... that's a hard sell... I don't buy it ( I think he may had another way to kill LaCroix... .[/QUOTE]
Say I am a bit more interesed in
That taxidriver that suddenly appear and start talking behind jack in the end scene... seems like he had something to do with it as well... maybe he was on the ship original and did all the killing and then he meet jack, who as many others, wanted to know whats in that big box and jack thought it would be fun with a big bomb in the box for WHOEVER stupid enough to open it^^ Anyway for the reports in the ships log file to make any sense the vamp that did the killing most have been on the ship with the crew while they were headed to santa monica!
Still, just like I said before, I didn't like any possible explanation to how Jack put those goddamn bombs inside the coffin. He had to kill all those kines inside Elizabeth Dane, and make it seem like an Antediluvian woke up and killed everybody... that's a hard sell... I don't buy it ( I think he may had another way to kill LaCroix... .[/QUOTE]
Say I am a bit more interesed in
That taxidriver that suddenly appear and start talking behind jack in the end scene... seems like he had something to do with it as well... maybe he was on the ship original and did all the killing and then he meet jack, who as many others, wanted to know whats in that big box
and jack thought it would be fun with a big bomb in the box for WHOEVER stupid enough to open it^^ Anyway for the reports in the ships log file to make any sense the vamp that did the killing most have been on the ship with the crew while they were headed to santa monica!
There seems to be the suggestion that the cabbie (in the endgame) might be Caine (his voice files are in a folder named Caine). This has been discussed before, so do a search on "cabbie" and/or "Caine" and you'll get quite a bit of information.
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Crumbly
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Yeah, I agree - the ending should be a real mother-of-a-blowout and not a sort of crapy fight where you can't even test your mettle because the final oponent is some freaky flying *******.
It should leave us disturbed, but not in such way as it did - but I'm looking forward for the next part of this great game, and I hope that our criticism will force them to release complete product and not "Can't do it without a patch" game.
It should leave us disturbed, but not in such way as it did - but I'm looking forward for the next part of this great game, and I hope that our criticism will force them to release complete product and not "Can't do it without a patch" game.