Spellsowrd

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 5:41 am

Hello, I want a spellsowrd in my party (fighter/mage) and I was wondering wich one is the best??? And secondly, wich Specialist wizard is the best?

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:56 am

Instead of fighter/mage, I highly recommend rogue/mage. Rogue will give you evasion, mage will give you fireball. Hint hint.

In any case. Specialist wizard- Transmuter or Evoker would be your best bet.

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:19 am

[QUOTE=Siberys]Instead of fighter/mage, I highly recommend rogue/mage. Rogue will give you evasion, mage will give you fireball. Hint hint.

In any case. Specialist wizard- Transmuter or Evoker would be your best bet.[/QUOTE]

but the rouge doesn't have any melee capabilities, he's a lousy figher, I want a good fighter with high strenght that can buff himself up and use very cheesy spells like Mirror Image, Tenser's Transformation, Stoneskin and so on....

And why should I pick Evoker?? The Diviner can't cast Conjuration spells, but the Evoker can't cast Conjuration and Divanation spells, doesn't that sound just worse??

And the Transmuter can't cast Abjuration spells?!?!?? That's not good for a spellsword!

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:22 am

Ahh yeah, forgot about that. Haven't played the game in a while, thought you could choose your own prohibited schools.

Well, for one, evocation and conjuration are useless if that's the type of character your going for.

I'd recommend not choosing a school, being a general wizard, BUT focusing on both Abjuration and Transmutation.

Abjuration= protection.
Transmutation= buffs.

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:33 am

[QUOTE=Siberys]Ahh yeah, forgot about that. Haven't played the game in a while, thought you could choose your own prohibited schools.

Well, for one, evocation and conjuration are useless if that's the type of character your going for.

I'd recommend not choosing a school, being a general wizard, BUT focusing on both Abjuration and Transmutation.

Abjuration= protection.
Transmutation= buffs.[/QUOTE]

well, if conjuration sucks then I might as well use a Diviner since Conjuration is the only type of magic a Diviner can't use ^^...

I have another question too, how sould my character look?

Should he be a fighter XX/wizard XX multiclass, or perhaps a figher 4/barbarian 3/ rouge 3/ wizard XX dual class?.... cause I want strong melee figher with good BAB and many attacks per round, but i've heard that fighter is a useless class above level 4.... I think I'm gonna go for a Fighter 4/ Barbarian 3/ Wizard XX....

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:36 am

I wouldn't recommend more than 2 classes, BUT, lets say you go halfling, and yes, halflings can be decent wizards.

Here's what I suggest-

Rogue 2 (for evasion)
Fighter X/Wizard X and keep them balanced. This won't incur an XP penalty as the rogue is the Halflings favored class, meaning you can go however many levels you want in that and never get the penalty.

So, lets say by tenth level-

Rogue 2/Fighter 4/Wizard 4

That should treat you well through the game.

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:36 am

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...go for the figher 4/barbarian 3/ rogue 3/ wizard XX without any specilisation!

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silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:39 am

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...and take a male drow!

...this will give you one of the most powerfull spellsword builds...

btw. for more details on this build - read my powergaming guide (sticky at hte top of the forum) -> PC 1

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Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:40 am

[QUOTE=Siberys]I wouldn't recommend more than 2 classes, BUT, lets say you go halfling, and yes, halflings can be decent wizards.

Here's what I suggest-

Rogue 2 (for evasion)
Fighter X/Wizard X and keep them balanced. This won't incur an XP penalty as the rogue is the Halflings favored class, meaning you can go however many levels you want in that and never get the penalty.

So, lets say by tenth level-

Rogue 2/Fighter 4/Wizard 4

That should treat you well through the game.[/QUOTE]

no my char is definately gonna be a drow, they are so über

, SR, ability bonuses and so on, and halfling get -2 to strenght

.... I'm playing a party of 4 so I won't have trouble with drow gaining levels slowly.... I think I'm gonna go for the Fighter 4/ Barb 3/ Wizard XX

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:42 am

[QUOTE=silverdragon72].

...and take a male drow!

...this will give you one of the most powerfull spellsword builds...

btw. for more details on this build - read my powergaming guide (sticky at hte top of the forum) -> PC 1

.[/QUOTE]

yeah I've read it already and I think that it sounds reasonable

.... but in wich order should I pick the levels?? I know rouge is first ^^

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:43 am

That's totally your choice.

And if you want, I can help you make a build off of this idea, so that way you optimize your character. IM me on AIM/YIM or PM me if you want that assistance.

I will say this, Drow aren't that impressive actually. They rather hamper the party than benefit them at the start, so it will be 3 times as hard to level up than for say, a halfling.

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:44 am

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I would strongly recommend the 3 rogue levels (just to powerfull for this build not to take) and a level 23 wiz is only slightly better then a level 20 wiz!

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Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:44 am

[QUOTE=silverdragon72].

...go for the figher 4/barbarian 3/ rogue 3/ wizard XX without any specilisation!

.[/QUOTE]

I read you're guide, but what is the point of having a fighter lvl 2 through all the game? why not first max the fighter/barb/rouge levels and then go for the wizard levels?

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:47 am

[QUOTE=Siberys]I will say this, Drow aren't that impressive actually. They rather hamper the party than benefit them at the start, so it will be 3 times as hard to level up than for say, a halfling.[/QUOTE]

...what the...?!!

...no - leveling up ECL classes is definetly not a problem at all!

...as they are lowering the average party level and therefore you can get much more EXP especially with a party of four!

...for more details on this issue have a look on the the guide

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Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:48 am

[QUOTE=Siberys]That's totally your choice.

And if you want, I can help you make a build off of this idea, so that way you optimize your character. IM me on AIM/YIM or PM me if you want that assistance.

I will say this, Drow aren't that impressive actually. They rather hamper the party than benefit them at the start, so it will be 3 times as hard to level up than for say, a halfling.[/QUOTE]

ok, everybody says that drow is the best race, and I agree, I have played drow and the rock, totally rock everything, they have so many boni that's it's hard to believe and the only downside to them is that they lvl up slower, but in a party of 4 that is no longer an issue since my chars will gain much more exp

Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:50 am

Meh, one's opinion versus another. I don't like Icewind Dale Drow, but other people do.

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:50 am

[QUOTE=silverdragon72]...what the...?!!

...no - leveling up ECL classes is definetly not a problem at all!

...as they are lowering the average party level and therefore you can get much more EXP especially with a party of four!

...for more details on this issue have a look on the the guide

.[/QUOTE]

yeah but i still don't understand why you don't max out the fighter levels first?

silverdragon72 · Post by **silverdragon72** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:51 am

[QUOTE=Squee]I read you're guide, but what is the point of having a fighter lvl 2 through all the game? why not first max the fighter/barb/rouge levels and then go for the wizard levels?[/QUOTE]

...you can also go this way - just a matter of taste - but you already get a that powerfull melee fighter with rogue 3 - barb 3 - fighter 2 that I didn't take the last 2 fighter levels at that point (MI, blink, blur, tenser's, M-sword are just to sweet to get them to late in the game

)

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Siberys · Post by **Siberys** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:53 am

With a drow, maxing the fighter out would give you a penalty to XP.

I usually played a 3 party team and Drow are STILL hard to level during that time. Once you get beyond Targos, then yeah, it's easy, but you're in targos for quite a while to begin with.

Squee · Post by **Squee** » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:56 am

[QUOTE=silverdragon72]...you can also go this way - just a matter of taste - but you already get a that powerfull melee fighter with rogue 3 - barb 3 - fighter 2 that I didn't take the last 2 fighter levels at that point (MI, blink, blur, tenser's, M-sword are just to sweet to get them to late in the game

)

.[/QUOTE]

and why should I use 2 weapon fighting?? Double Axes ROCK with maxed out strenght!! I'll have a lot higher attack bonus and therefore i will hit more often, and i'll deal more damage, and I get to keep 2 feats! I wouldn't trade that for just 1 extra attack per round