Underworld from the point of view of the Camarilla, The Masquerade? Anyone?

dots67 · Post by **dots67** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:40 pm

[QUOTE=pennypincher]most Caitiff are made by illegal Embraces gone wrong... Which is why VV can have them killed if she wants, and why they keep getting chased off beaches with death threats, and why you can pretty much do with them as you like... They aren't protected by Cammerilla law, so you can kill, use maime, torment, imprision, threaten and bond them all you like. [/QUOTE]

ok, so if you have just embraced someone without a permission, you should run away before victim wakes up. He/she will never know who was a sire, you are clean, and childe will be tolerated by the Camarilla law... much better then both sire and childe killed.

You see, the only difference betweeen 'both killed' and 'nobody killed' is that the connection is known... You can imagine that Lilly (BTW, what clan was she???) is a childe of someone, and the whole story with a 'vampire from Europe' was made up based on the instructions, given by her sire (also, she said that he "bailed him out because his visa was expired" - just a nonsense)

BTW, Interesting if Prince can give a "carte blanche" to embrace anyone you want ?

pennypincher · Post by **pennypincher** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:37 pm

dots67 wrote:ok, so if you have just embraced someone without a permission, you should run away before victim wakes up. He/she will never know who was a sire, you are clean, and childe will be tolerated by the Camarilla law... much better then both sire and childe killed.

You see, the only difference betweeen 'both killed' and 'nobody killed' is that the connection is known... You can imagine that Lilly (BTW, what clan was she???) is a childe of someone, and the whole story with a 'vampire from Europe' was made up based on the instructions, given by her sire (also, she said that he "bailed him out because his visa was expired" - just a nonsense)

Ohhh, sorry no! See if SOMEONE doesn't teach the childe the ways of the Masquerade and the laws of the Cammerilla, eventualy they will blunder (Breech domain, break the masquerade, not respect hospitality) and if a Prince wants, he can have the local Tremere track the linage of the vampire through their blood, or by using spirits touch, or maybe even just through dominate or a descrption... Leaving a childe laying around is ALWAYS risky business... And in addition, pretty pointless to a smart vampire.

Vampires create childer to help increase their power base. A second vampire who is loyal to the sire can hold much more inflence and ghouls in different areas that the sire just doesn't have time to focus on, and when push comes to shove, it's nice to have a second vampire at your back... A Caitiff running lose and wild just means you are constantly at risk that someone will find out what you did... That doesn't help you AT ALL!

In addition, Caitiff are seen as a sign of the end times. Once there weren't all that many of them, they were rare and mostly killed on sight when they were found... Now, however, they are appearing in staggering numbers and the elders fear that they are a sign of the blood becoming weak as water... In an interesting twist, it was the mass slaughter of Caitiff and Thin Bloods that awoke Ravnos just before Gehenna began.

BTW, Interesting if Prince can give a "carte blanche" to embrace anyone you want ?

He/she/it could do, but it would be a foolish prince who gave someone else in a city the power to have as many childe as they wanted... In only 100 years time they would have a power base of Vampires loyal to them that could easily topple any prince... This, over crowding and fear are all reasons why there is a law against siring random vampire babies.

Acleacius · Post by **Acleacius** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:32 pm

I think someone mentioned Selene was only 600 years but I remember the date in the second moive of 1216 which they showed her about to be embraced, so 800 is much closer.
The more I think about it the tougher she sounds, 800 years of killing Werewolves as her job, CRAP!
You would have to be a BadMoFo to last 800 years doing that week after week.

dots67 · Post by **dots67** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:09 am

pennypincher, Thank you for your explanation.

[QUOTE=pennypincher]
In an interesting twist, it was the mass slaughter of Caitiff and Thin Bloods that awoke Ravnos just before Gehenna began.
[/QUOTE]

What are you talking about ? Where can I read about it ?

[QUOTE=Acleacius]I think someone mentioned Selene was only 600 years but I remember the date in the second moive of 1216 which they showed her about to be embraced, so 800 is much closer.
The more I think about it the tougher she sounds, 800 years of killing Werewolves as her job, CRAP!
You would have to be a BadMoFo to last 800 years doing that week after week.

[/QUOTE]

Probably some inconsistencies as usual... But I agree, she is cool

also Erika... she was cute

pennypincher · Post by **pennypincher** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:09 am

[QUOTE=dots67]
What are you talking about ? Where can I read about it ?[/QUOTE]

Yer most welcome! As for where you can read it... I think it might have been one of the following, maybe Lucita can narrow it down:

The setting book for India.
A Time Of Thin Blood.
Gehenna.

dots67 · Post by **dots67** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:06 am

How many books are like that? I remember someone wrote about spending 6000 USD :speech: , I dont want to go that far. :laugh:

Is it some kind of a manual or fiction stories? May be, something like Tolkien's 'Silmarillion' ?

Are these books independent or they must be read in some order? Are there any books focused more on the psycology: confusion after the transformation, fighting the beast inside etc ?

Thank you in advance.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:18 am

As this thread really has nothing any longer to do with the game, I'm moving it to PnP Discussion. I"ll leave a redirect, here.