United 93

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:20 am

I wasn't sure whether to post this in "Other Entertainment" or here... but given.. the subject matter and surrounding issues.. I opted for SYM.

A movie has been made about 9/11. It hasn't been released yet, I'm not sure I want to see it when it is released, I'm also not sure what to think....
Is it a genuine memorial? How much does profit factor into things? How do the politics and propaganda play?

Here is the official site
http://www.united93movie.com/index.php

Thoughts?

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:15 am

I must admit that I'm kinda suprised it took this long before such film was being made...

But honestly I'm not sure wether this move should been made or not... It's just the topic that makes, at least a bit, me to think that it should not be filmed...

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:37 am

This movie needs to be put away for a few decades, 9/11 happened roughly four years ago, that's not that long ago. I will probably go and see the movie, just to see how they made it. To see how they portrayed the civilians and the terrorists. This movie already has sparked a lot of discussion, I dont want to miss out on all the debate that comes up after the release.
My first thought was that this movie was trying to cash in on the event. That day reshaped part of the future of our country (Although as of right now I think we are still were we would have been, with a few minor exceptions.), of course most of the population is going to go and see this movie, and give the film makers loads of money. It'll look bad, like they were only trying to make money, if they dont donate a large portion of their money to a 9/11 related charity.

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:55 am

Hmm, I'll have to say I'm waiting on my judgement of this until I see what the movie is about exactly. Not to mention what the people who were involved with it's relatives have to say about the finished result. One of the few survivors from the sinking of the Titanic stopped by my school when I was going there before 2000 and she was positively furious at the makers of the movie Titanic for how they twisted the story to some idiotic gushy love story. I have a feeling some of the families will feel the same way.

As mentioned above....unless a very sizeable donation is made, and I mean, the vast majority of money made after the costs of making the movie are paid off....I think people may be very angry. Then again, most people are stupid, so it may just be myself that gets angry.

shana · Post by **shana** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:58 pm

I agree that it is too soon to release this movie. I can't watch it yet, maybe not for years.

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:09 pm

I envision this movie to be a lot like Team America, sans the whole satire thing.

Greg. · Post by **Greg.** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:41 pm

[QUOTE=Vicsun]I envision this movie to be a lot like Team America, sans the whole satire thing.[/QUOTE]

And the puppets, presumably...

Whatever happens, nobody will be happy about it...

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 2:52 pm

[QUOTE=Vicsun]I envision this movie to be a lot like Team America, sans the whole satire thing.[/QUOTE]

That movie disgusted me, satire or not.

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:25 pm

[QUOTE=Magrus]That movie disgusted me, satire or not.[/QUOTE]
Well then I guess you weren't the target audience

Damuna_Nova · Post by **Damuna_Nova** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:56 pm

9/11 (or 11/9 rather) happened in 2001?!

I thought it happened in 2003. o.0

Time means ery little to me...if you don't stick a pin on things saying when they happened in their names I tend to get lost.

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:32 pm

When I first heard about that movie, I was disgusted. Now that it's been a few weeks, I'm still disgusted. I can't imagine how anyone could make a movie out of that, especially so soon.

Knowing Hollywood, though, the passengers will overpower the terrorists and land the plane to safety.

Damn happy endings.

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:37 pm

[QUOTE=GregtheSleeper]And the puppets, presumably...

Whatever happens, nobody will be happy about it...[/QUOTE]
I disagree, first of all, puppets would be a ncie change back to the old movies. (Think old Dino movies).

Seriously, I disagree, some people will be overjoyed at the great job they did portraying average Americans as such heroes. While others will be horrified at how horribly inaccurate it was, or how the religious card was played so heavily that it portrayed ALL muslims in a bad light. It is a win lose situation, with very little middle ground, I hope they were able balance this film on that small island in the middle.

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:20 pm

[QUOTE=Chimaera182]When I first heard about that movie, I was disgusted. Now that it's been a few weeks, I'm still disgusted. I can't imagine how anyone could make a movie out of that, especially so soon.

Knowing Hollywood, though, the passengers will overpower the terrorists and land the plane to safety.

Damn happy endings.[/QUOTE]

Yeah... my first reaction was one of disgust. At this point I'm not quite sure what to think..

Oddly enough I've just been grousing with somebody about Hollywood mush in an email, but I somehow don't think they'll change this ending... I just can't see that. It would be wrong on so many levels, and I suspect that even Hollywood would not stoop to it.
I suppose anything is possible... but I'd be surprised in this case.

Darzog · Post by **Darzog** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:41 pm

I don't think there's anything disgusting about making a movie about this. Maybe it's still a little too fresh, but the topic itself is not a big deal. Look at all the Civil War movies, WWII movies, Pearl Harbor, Schindler's List, and on and on and on. The only reason this strikes a chord (in my opinion) is because it's something that you've lived through and is real in your mind and heart.

As for how it will be portrayed, I doubt that it will be handled well. Because it is so fresh, this country isn't ready for any compassion for the terrorists or their cause. If this movie has any sentiments that try to explain what the terrorists believe (other than the fanaticism of their beliefs) or why they believe America is so evil people will react VERY negatively. At this point we only want to hear about how heroic the passengers were. Several families will be followed through the day with at least a few having babies. You'll hear heart-breaking calls to loved ones saying good-bye and I love you. You'll hear at least one person that isn't sure if they are going to coorperate because they have a new baby, or a new wife, or something similar and want to hold out for the hope that they will make it out alive. In the end they will come to the understanding that only by fighting the terrorists can they by sure that their baby/wife can have a world worth living in.

It will be sugary, syrupy, clingy and filled with barely concealed contempt and hatred for the terrorists. While I think there will be a token attempt to make the point that all Muslims aren't terrorists, it will be weak and overshadowed by the treatment of the terrorists themselves. In the end, I see nothing wrong with making A movie, I don't think this one will do the subject matter justice.

ch85us2001 · Post by **ch85us2001** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:38 am

[QUOTE=Kipi]I must admit that I'm kinda suprised it took this long before such film was being made...

[/QUOTE]
There was already a made for tv movie here in the states.

I think, of all the tragedie on that day, this is the best story to tell. These people went down heros.

Saying that, I still think it may be a little early for this.

Fenix · Post by **Fenix** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:51 am

Chimaera182 wrote: Knowing Hollywood, though, the passengers will overpower the terrorists and land the plane to safety. Damn happy endings.

Official site]SEPTEMBER 11 wrote:THIS IS THE STORY [/b]OF THE FOURTH

You're telling me there were survivors on board that flight? :/

Isn't the presumed scenario, comprised of the snippets of info heard by the control tower, that the suicide bombers took control of the cockpit, and used the microphone, or whatever the pilots use, (which they apparently screwed up and were actually speaking to operaters in ye olde control tower) to threaten the passengers with bombs, to remain seated in an attempt to control them? (And the passengers fought back..and perhaps the terrorists decided it would be better to crash land then yield...). That's the general idea for the movie right? :/

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 7:16 am

[QUOTE=Damuna_Nova]9/11 (or 11/9 rather) happened in 2001?!

I thought it happened in 2003. o.0

Time means ery little to me...if you don't stick a pin on things saying when they happened in their names I tend to get lost.

[/QUOTE]
Your location is very appropriate

Chimaera182 · Post by **Chimaera182** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:39 am

[QUOTE=Phreddie]Seriously, I disagree, some people will be overjoyed at the great job they did portraying average Americans as such heroes. While others will be horrified at how horribly inaccurate it was, or how the religious card was played so heavily that it portrayed ALL muslims in a bad light. It is a win lose situation, with very little middle ground, I hope they were able balance this film on that small island in the middle.[/QUOTE]
Of course they'll completely miss your middle ground. Anyway, I don't like to think of them as heroes. I used to, but when you're faced with death, you'll do anything to preserve your own life, and that's not really all that heroic.

[QUOTE=dragon wench]Oddly enough I've just been grousing with somebody about Hollywood mush in an email, but I somehow don't think they'll change this ending... I just can't see that. It would be wrong on so many levels, and I suspect that even Hollywood would not stoop to it.
I suppose anything is possible... but I'd be surprised in this case.[/QUOTE]
I doubt they'll change the end, but I was just pointing out how Hollywood will change everything in order to make a film. They won't actually change the end, but they will definitely glorify the acts of the passengers and demonize the "terrorists." In the end, the movie's probably going to be filed under "Bad propaganda films in history."

[QUOTE=Darzog]I don't think there's anything disgusting about making a movie about this. Maybe it's still a little too fresh, but the topic itself is not a big deal. Look at all the Civil War movies, WWII movies, Pearl Harbor, Schindler's List, and on and on and on. The only reason this strikes a chord (in my opinion) is because it's something that you've lived through and is real in your mind and heart.

As for how it will be portrayed, I doubt that it will be handled well. Because it is so fresh, this country isn't ready for any compassion for the terrorists or their cause. If this movie has any sentiments that try to explain what the terrorists believe (other than the fanaticism of their beliefs) or why they believe America is so evil people will react VERY negatively. At this point we only want to hear about how heroic the passengers were. Several families will be followed through the day with at least a few having babies. You'll hear heart-breaking calls to loved ones saying good-bye and I love you. You'll hear at least one person that isn't sure if they are going to coorperate because they have a new baby, or a new wife, or something similar and want to hold out for the hope that they will make it out alive. In the end they will come to the understanding that only by fighting the terrorists can they by sure that their baby/wife can have a world worth living in.

It will be sugary, syrupy, clingy and filled with barely concealed contempt and hatred for the terrorists. While I think there will be a token attempt to make the point that all Muslims aren't terrorists, it will be weak and overshadowed by the treatment of the terrorists themselves. In the end, I see nothing wrong with making A movie, I don't think this one will do the subject matter justice.[/QUOTE]
The reason it struck a chord with me doesn't have to do with the fact that the even took place in my lifetime. I've seen films of WW2 (Gung Ho! specifically, among others) and civil war movies, and I can't stand them, either; I was disgusted to see Pearl Harbor, and probably never will watch it. They're all Hollywood butcheries of real-life events; seriously, watch Gung Ho! and tell me it isn't the most disgusting movie (I've described it before, but it demonizes the Japanese, making them out to be blood-thirsty, conniving, sneaky little monsters; Americans joining up gave their reasons for joining the armed forces, and a lot of their reasons were dubious, at best; the General in charge gave a lot of inspirational speeches, aimed directly at the camera, because they were aimed directly for the audience).

As for how it will be portrayed, I doubt that it will be handled well. Because it is so fresh, this country isn't ready for any compassion for the terrorists or their cause. If this movie has any sentiments that try to explain what the terrorists believe (other than the fanaticism of their beliefs) or why they believe America is so evil people will react VERY negatively.

I agree with that. If the "terrorists" are portrayed in any human terms, it will probably insult Americans. If they even treat the "terrorists" with compassion, the movie will be so ill-received; at the extreme, it might cause a riot or two, but we don't riot near enough, us Americans.

And definitely we won't be portrayed as evil, that would really honk off people. The movie will be cheesy and sugary, and make Americans out to be good people--because all Americans are paragons of good

--and the "terrorists" will be demonized. And Muslims won't be pictured well in the movie. I hope this movie gets a strong backlash.

Lestat · Post by **Lestat** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:33 pm

Two comments on the movie from Slate that people might find interesting:

[url="http://www.slate.com/id/2140690/"]http://www.slate.com/id/2140690/[/url]
[url="http://www.slate.com/id/2140676/"]http://www.slate.com/id/2140676/[/url]

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:57 pm

Profit donation: They are only donating 10% of their profits to a united 93 related charity, not nearly enough in my opinion. After covering production costs all the left over money needs to be donated to some useful charity.