Hey, hey, people, they're not seperate entities, the killings and the nipples!
They add up! There's killing AND nipples. You can handle nipples if you're a teen and you can handle killings at that age, but both at the same time, I must agree, takes the psychological toughness and experience of a mature gamer.
Just think: Your kid might associate nipples with killing for the rest of his/her life! That's going to create troubles on their honeymoon, at least. And what if they come in to contact with cows (4) or even pigs (8?)... *shudders*
Killing and nipples should really remain seperate until they're old enough.
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[QUOTE=The Balance]wait wait wait! Are you saying they're raising all that dust in order to give the product notoriety ?? 
It seems to me that it isn't needed this kind of ruse to a title like this..
Am I so naive?? [/QUOTE]
No, I'm suggesting that the triumphant morality chasers of modern America believe they are onto something when they find substitutes for true problems, and demonize them--among them, scantily dressed people and a few splatters of blood in Oblivion. But if it becomes a big news item, the effect will be the opposite: more kids, drawn by the idea of vicarious nudity, will buy the game. Nobody seems to realize that whenever you shout "Sin!" at something, it's like attaching a phremone producer to it, drawing sneaky sinners from everywhere. Always has been that way; always will. The so-called "Great Experiment," a Constitutional amendment banning alcoholic beverages, failed for that very reason. Far from reducing alcoholic intake, it actually increased according to contemporary figures based on speakeasies and raids, during the period.
Me, I'm of course going back to play Oblivion in a bit so I can masturbate at its animated pixels drawn by some 300-pound guy named Vito. Makes me tingle all over.
It seems to me that it isn't needed this kind of ruse to a title like this..
Am I so naive??
[/QUOTE]No, I'm suggesting that the triumphant morality chasers of modern America believe they are onto something when they find substitutes for true problems, and demonize them--among them, scantily dressed people and a few splatters of blood in Oblivion. But if it becomes a big news item, the effect will be the opposite: more kids, drawn by the idea of vicarious nudity, will buy the game. Nobody seems to realize that whenever you shout "Sin!" at something, it's like attaching a phremone producer to it, drawing sneaky sinners from everywhere. Always has been that way; always will. The so-called "Great Experiment," a Constitutional amendment banning alcoholic beverages, failed for that very reason. Far from reducing alcoholic intake, it actually increased according to contemporary figures based on speakeasies and raids, during the period.
Me, I'm of course going back to play Oblivion in a bit so I can masturbate at its animated pixels drawn by some 300-pound guy named Vito. Makes me tingle all over.
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@ Fable: During the first year of the prohibition, small Wythe county Virginia produced more than half the Alchohol that the ENTIRE UNITED STATES produced the year before. (That is to say, if America produced 1 million units, one year, the next, Wythe county produced 500 thousand). Does that validate your "Sin" point?
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[QUOTE=ik911]Hey, hey, people, they're not seperate entities, the killings and the nipples!
They add up! There's killing AND nipples. You can handle nipples if you're a teen and you can handle killings at that age, but both at the same time, I must agree, takes the psychological toughness and experience of a mature gamer.
Just think: Your kid might associate nipples with killing for the rest of his/her life! That's going to create troubles on their honeymoon, at least. And what if they come in to contact with cows (4) or even pigs (8?)... *shudders*
Killing and nipples should really remain seperate until they're old enough.[/QUOTE]
That made me laugh until I realised how true it is :laugh:
They add up! There's killing AND nipples. You can handle nipples if you're a teen and you can handle killings at that age, but both at the same time, I must agree, takes the psychological toughness and experience of a mature gamer.
Just think: Your kid might associate nipples with killing for the rest of his/her life! That's going to create troubles on their honeymoon, at least. And what if they come in to contact with cows (4) or even pigs (8?)... *shudders*
Killing and nipples should really remain seperate until they're old enough.[/QUOTE]
That made me laugh until I realised how true it is :laugh:
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[QUOTE=ch85us2001]@ Fable: During the first year of the prohibition, small Wythe county Virginia produced more than half the Alchohol that the ENTIRE UNITED STATES produced the year before. (That is to say, if America produced 1 million units, one year, the next, Wythe county produced 500 thousand). Does that validate your "Sin" point? [/QUOTE]
LOL! And to top it off, the Prohibition also gave the US its crime families, who suddenly had a ready black market to deal in, when they had none, before. What a win/win situation.
[/QUOTE]LOL! And to top it off, the Prohibition also gave the US its crime families, who suddenly had a ready black market to deal in, when they had none, before. What a win/win situation.
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heh...a lol is in order
you americans are really strange, here i thought all was well at home and you could dedicate your "effort" to the rest of the world and then i hear about these delicate internal issues
anyway, i'm pretty sure i saw the mod that started this a while back and if my memory serves me right not only were there no nipples but even the shape was somewhat flawed, something about the way it merged with the bra (though the reason they were not done together in the first place eludes me). Unfortunately i did not try it so i can't be sure...sadly since i'm allready 22 it takes considerably more then static pixels... cruel rating... the few who might have apreaciated it are denied the journey
on an other note i hope the good people at ESRB get some serious money, cause i sure wouldn't want to be in theyr place... just to think of all the smut and gore they have to bear day after day, trying to protect the ungrateful and ignorant public... they might as well make the jobs hereditary cause sin must have reached to theyr very genes.
you americans are really strange, here i thought all was well at home and you could dedicate your "effort" to the rest of the world and then i hear about these delicate internal issues
anyway, i'm pretty sure i saw the mod that started this a while back and if my memory serves me right not only were there no nipples but even the shape was somewhat flawed, something about the way it merged with the bra (though the reason they were not done together in the first place eludes me). Unfortunately i did not try it so i can't be sure...sadly since i'm allready 22 it takes considerably more then static pixels... cruel rating... the few who might have apreaciated it are denied the journey
on an other note i hope the good people at ESRB get some serious money, cause i sure wouldn't want to be in theyr place... just to think of all the smut and gore they have to bear day after day, trying to protect the ungrateful and ignorant public... they might as well make the jobs hereditary cause sin must have reached to theyr very genes.
wonders never cease
Me thinks that those morality chasers have too much time on their hands and probably have never had sexual education or just aren't very open about sexuality. I mean I got the education on 6th grade(12-13 years old) in school, had seen women before though, and I wasn't so shocked.
And they can't seem to understand it's only pixels on the screen and graphically not very astonishing.
Me thinks also that this is very hypocritical because you see much worse on tv-commercials and programs even if it's the middle of the day. So on the same principle they rate tv m also.
Me thinks that those morality chasers have too much time on their hands and probably have never had sexual education or just aren't very open about sexuality. I mean I got the education on 6th grade(12-13 years old) in school, had seen women before though, and I wasn't so shocked.
And they can't seem to understand it's only pixels on the screen and graphically not very astonishing.
Me thinks also that this is very hypocritical because you see much worse on tv-commercials and programs even if it's the middle of the day. So on the same principle they rate tv m also.
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[QUOTE=stillodium]you americans are really strange, here i thought all was well at home and you could dedicate your "effort" to the rest of the world and then i hear about these delicate internal issues
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Er, no, we don't. You're discussing our government. I never voted for it, I have never supported it, and I personally loathe it. Please don't address us as "you Americans" and accuse us of the actions of Dubya. Those are fighting words, even to someone as pacific as myself.
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Er, no, we don't. You're discussing our government. I never voted for it, I have never supported it, and I personally loathe it. Please don't address us as "you Americans" and accuse us of the actions of Dubya. Those are fighting words, even to someone as pacific as myself.
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[QUOTE=fable]Er, no, we don't. You're discussing our government. I never voted for it, I have never supported it, and I personally loathe it. Please don't address us as "you Americans" and accuse us of the actions of Dubya. Those are fighting words, even to someone as pacific as myself.[/QUOTE]
Fable? Pacific?
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That is a fair point...
I think the game box should have a warning:
This game may contain images ofNipples, oh and violence, contact with the occult and racism
I mean, in Morrowind, racism and slavery were portrayed, and nobody batted an eyelid... Now, nipples are developed outside the companies control, and peple are up in arms...
Fable? Pacific?
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That is a fair point...
I think the game box should have a warning:
This game may contain images ofNipples, oh and violence, contact with the occult and racism
I mean, in Morrowind, racism and slavery were portrayed, and nobody batted an eyelid... Now, nipples are developed outside the companies control, and peple are up in arms...
[QUOTE=ch85us2001]@ Fable: During the first year of the prohibition, small Wythe county Virginia produced more than half the Alchohol that the ENTIRE UNITED STATES produced the year before. (That is to say, if America produced 1 million units, one year, the next, Wythe county produced 500 thousand). Does that validate your "Sin" point? [/QUOTE]
*snickers* My great-grandfathers older cousins made a lot of money during that time. :laugh:
[/QUOTE]*snickers* My great-grandfathers older cousins made a lot of money during that time. :laugh:
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"Oh, so I can crate you and hide you in the warehouse at the end of Raiders?"
"So funny, kiss me funny boy!" / *Sprays mace* " I know, I know, bad for the ozone"
Well, at least its better than an AO rating, IMO
Well, the ESRB re-rating of Oblivion to an M17+ came as of no surprise to me. Sure I didn't play the game till the end (not my kind of game, to be frank), but to me, getting an M17+ rating is way better than an AO18+ rating.
As for Bethseda Softworks, I really congratulate them for their decision to stand by the ESRB re-rating, according to Gamespot. I respect them for that. Better than how Rockstar handled a situation similar to this one (though the "Hot Coffee" mod fiasco was worse than Oblivion's re-rating). Check out this [url="http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6148925"]link[/url] for further details.
Well, the ESRB re-rating of Oblivion to an M17+ came as of no surprise to me. Sure I didn't play the game till the end (not my kind of game, to be frank), but to me, getting an M17+ rating is way better than an AO18+ rating.
As for Bethseda Softworks, I really congratulate them for their decision to stand by the ESRB re-rating, according to Gamespot. I respect them for that. Better than how Rockstar handled a situation similar to this one (though the "Hot Coffee" mod fiasco was worse than Oblivion's re-rating). Check out this [url="http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/theelderscrollsivoblivion/news.html?sid=6148925"]link[/url] for further details.
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I do find the violence a little extreme for a T game, but iis this what will become the "norm" for future games with better graphics?
And I will say, I find it extremely ammusing to watch a bandit roll backwards down a hill with an arrow sticking out of his forehead.
@ Mag: Making, Buying or selling?
Junior Johnson (Famous NASCAR driver) Made more money runnin shine than he did driving, back in the 50s and 60s. :laugh:
And I will say, I find it extremely ammusing to watch a bandit roll backwards down a hill with an arrow sticking out of his forehead.
@ Mag: Making, Buying or selling?
Junior Johnson (Famous NASCAR driver) Made more money runnin shine than he did driving, back in the 50s and 60s. :laugh:
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[QUOTE=ch85us2001]@ Mag: Making, Buying or selling?
Junior Johnson (Famous NASCAR driver) Made more money runnin shine than he did driving, back in the 50s and 60s. :laugh:[/QUOTE]
Selling. Never heard of him, though, that doesn't surprise me. :laugh:
Junior Johnson (Famous NASCAR driver) Made more money runnin shine than he did driving, back in the 50s and 60s. :laugh:[/QUOTE]
Selling. Never heard of him, though, that doesn't surprise me. :laugh:
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"So funny, kiss me funny boy!" / *Sprays mace* " I know, I know, bad for the ozone"
"Oh, so I can crate you and hide you in the warehouse at the end of Raiders?"
"So funny, kiss me funny boy!" / *Sprays mace* " I know, I know, bad for the ozone"
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Miami Lawyer Jack Thompson is calling for Take Two and Bethesda to be criminally charged.
[url="http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3215"]Linky[/url]
[QUOTE=Most Esteemed Jack.][this matierial was put in game with the] unlocking code provided by the developer!" [/QUOTE]
If that unlocking code is a .BSA unpacke (which, oddly enough, wasnt included, if I remember right), then guilty as charged.
Although, this site seems to be putting a little Bias on it.
This seems to be a better article. [url="http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1280"]Linky[/url]
[url="http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=3215"]Linky[/url]
[QUOTE=Most Esteemed Jack.][this matierial was put in game with the] unlocking code provided by the developer!" [/QUOTE]
If that unlocking code is a .BSA unpacke (which, oddly enough, wasnt included, if I remember right), then guilty as charged.
Although, this site seems to be putting a little Bias on it.
This seems to be a better article. [url="http://gamesfirst.com/?id=1280"]Linky[/url]
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This is just getting more and more ridiculous..
Firstly, it's the nude human body.... SO WHAT? This continent seriously need to get over itself and its Puritan heritage
Secondly, if anybody out there is getting excited by "flesh" in a game... they need professional help, now!
I mean... that's even more pathetic than somebody getting stimulated by a porn centrefold. At least the models in those magazines are actual human beings.
Firstly, it's the nude human body.... SO WHAT? This continent seriously need to get over itself and its Puritan heritage
Secondly, if anybody out there is getting excited by "flesh" in a game... they need professional help, now!
I mean... that's even more pathetic than somebody getting stimulated by a porn centrefold. At least the models in those magazines are actual human beings.
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How stupid can you get, honestly? At least know what your talking about before you rail something.This is not a modification or "mod" of the game by gamers. It is an unlocking of content that was put there by Take-Two with the unlocking code provided by the developer!
That's funny. US Sen. Lieberman and Kohl, two avid opponents of violent video games have called the ESRB "the most comprehensive Media Ratings system in the world."The ESRB, once again, has been caught with its pants down. What Senator Clinton said last year, with the undersigned's help, is now more true than ever: "The entire video game rating system is broken."
This guy needs a life.
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[quote="linky from above]Specifically"]
How can you say they didn't even try to do their job and two paragraphs later say they are criminally liable for "knowning" distribution? The most you could get is negligence.
And while they are wrong that this was made fully available from the developer, the content WAS part of the game as shipped since the nude skins were part of the original skin archive. But the skins are only made available through a third party software, so the claim that the developer made it all available isn't quite correct.
How can you say they didn't even try to do their job and two paragraphs later say they are criminally liable for "knowning" distribution? The most you could get is negligence.
And while they are wrong that this was made fully available from the developer, the content WAS part of the game as shipped since the nude skins were part of the original skin archive. But the skins are only made available through a third party software, so the claim that the developer made it all available isn't quite correct.
'sexual material harmful to minors.'
Is this person insane? I am serious. Hello, human body ... *looks in the mirror* ... well not so hot ... but hey it's just a body, part of who we are, nothing untoward in it. Why make all this fuss about it? How on Earth is that harmful to minors? Very, very strange. I'd laugh if it weren't so sad actually.
Is this person insane? I am serious. Hello, human body ... *looks in the mirror* ... well not so hot ... but hey it's just a body, part of who we are, nothing untoward in it. Why make all this fuss about it? How on Earth is that harmful to minors? Very, very strange. I'd laugh if it weren't so sad actually.
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