The Dark Lords- Information

Sir_Greyhawk · Post by **Sir_Greyhawk** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:36 pm

Im really curious about Darth Nihilious and Sions past. You find out a little bit more about Sion, but you never really get told anything about Nil except that he ermmm, 'Feeds of force'? Something like that, I never understood that weird part of him. For one, what spiecies is he, presuming he is actually a boy, Those sticky out parts of his hood could well be a Leia-type hair do poking out, Or maybe hes a Devonairiairiaiaian:devil:....What ever they are called. I kind of skipped Kreia's lectures, did she ever give you anymore information/Cutscenes?

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:12 pm

i think they are both a result of malachor - something to do with what happened there causing a wound in the force or something and that caused nihulus to consume the force or something. not really sure though

Darth Mason · Post by **Darth Mason** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:52 pm

well Sion is a result of Kreia teachings and she inflicted pain upon him to learn to use his emotions etc and nihilus is sorta the same as the exile as the masters tell you on dantooine - they say u grow stronger when u kill those strong in the force - basically Nihilus does this on a much bigger scale

Obi-Wan-Evan · Post by **Obi-Wan-Evan** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:34 pm

Just a little tidbit, Nihilious mean Emptiness I belive in someother language

Alcina · Post by **Alcina** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:47 am

[QUOTE=Obi-Wan-Evan]Just a little tidbit, Nihilious mean Emptiness I belive in someother language

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'Nihil' means 'nothing' I believe. Who remembers their Latin better than me?

I think that what Nihilus and Sion are is the result of the teachings Kreia found in the Trayus Academy, which already existed. If you explore all the conversations, you'll find that someone (I think it may be Atris talking to the Sith holocrons if you leave her alive in the endgame), asks why the teachings of the Trayan Academy exist, if they are in fact ultimately destructive and valueless. The reply is that they are 'a beacon'.

I assume that this means that when they are used it will act as a signal for [strike]KOTOR3[/strike] something, telling it to go there. It seems to be strongly hinted that this is the same 'something' that Revan went off looking for in the outer rim, after trying to make sure the Republic was strong to face it.

Alcina · Post by **Alcina** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 2:40 pm

I've just remembered something else.

If you set Revan to LS female, Carth mentions to the Exile that Revan realised that the Mandalorians didn't go to war of their own volition. I think this is probably also related to the fact that the use fof the Malachor teachings sent a signal of some kind to someone somewhere, who then provoked the conflict somehow...

shadowkon · Post by **shadowkon** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:39 am

Darth Sion was once kreia's pupil but unlike you he was not willing to open his mind and awaken to fact that neither religious beleifs were correct and for this kreia despised him and turned on him and broke him hence all the cracks on his flesh and so on. With no one to guide or pull on his leash to stop him from spiraling out of control he went on to a blind but silent rapage until you ended him.

Dath Nhilis was a result of Malochor like you but he was already on malachor in the traya acadamy. You turned away from it but he did not malachor had created an echo in you both, when you severed your connection you made an echo when the shadow mass generator was put into affect it created an echo and a hunger in Darth Nhilis like it eventually didi with you but you cut yourself off from the force which deleayed it greatly where as he embraced it and let it manifest until you put him to rest.

lonewolf13 · Post by **lonewolf13** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 7:48 pm

[QUOTE=shadowkon]Darth Sion was once kreia's pupil but unlike you he was not willing to open his mind and awaken to fact that neither religious beleifs were correct and for this kreia despised him and turned on him and broke him hence all the cracks on his flesh and so on. With no one to guide or pull on his leash to stop him from spiraling out of control he went on to a blind but silent rapage until you ended him.

Dath Nhilis was a result of Malochor like you but he was already on malachor in the traya acadamy. You turned away from it but he did not malachor had created an echo in you both, when you severed your connection you made an echo when the shadow mass generator was put into affect it created an echo and a hunger in Darth Nhilis like it eventually didi with you but you cut yourself off from the force which deleayed it greatly where as he embraced it and let it manifest until you put him to rest.[/QUOTE]
Where did you come by this information?

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Mon May 01, 2006 3:24 am

Did shadowkon get this information from somewhere? I know a free encyclopedia website like wikipedia will list down information regarding the plot of the game. I've tried it before and they list down everything about the game including the ending as well (spoiler information, so browse at your own risk if you do not want to know the rest of the plot).

By the way, the info provided by shadowkon is quite detailed.

Alcina · Post by **Alcina** » Sun May 07, 2006 2:37 pm

[QUOTE=lonewolf13]Where did you come by this information?[/QUOTE]
You can get it by exploring all the conversation trees obsessively

lonewolf13 · Post by **lonewolf13** » Sun May 07, 2006 8:13 pm

[QUOTE=Alcina]You can get it by exploring all the conversation trees obsessively

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I've been through most if not all the conversations in the game and a lot of what Shadowkon wrote sounds like speculation to me.
From what I know of the game, putting togther the Dark Lords pasts is like playing connect the dots when you can only see half the numbers.
I know Sion was Kreia's student and Nihilious learned his "hunger" from what happened at Malachor. I also know the way the Exile severed his connection to the Force created a wound in the Force. The rest was never made clear.

If you want to post a theory about what happened go ahead , I've done it many times on many different topics, but unless you have proof, you should say your post is a theory. It shouldn't be stated as fact.

Alcina · Post by **Alcina** » Fri May 12, 2006 4:27 pm

Lonewolf13: The info about Sion is mostly speculation, but the Nihilus stuff is pretty clear if you put together all the stuff in the game, about the effect of Malachor etc...

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:53 pm

A speculation, if you will...

It is a very viable possibility that Darth Sion and Kreia are both characters previously mentioned in the story plot. We know that Malak went to the dark side, and from the Hidden Tomb we know that he was bald, it could be taken that he became Darth Sion after the Jedi Civil War, and that Kreia was at one time Revan. This would fit nicely into the storyline, and also explain where Revan went after the Jedi Civil War - in search of the Exile. We know that Darth Sion's master was Kreia, and with the game kind of allowing you to indicate the sex of Revan, if you allow Revan to be a female, it just clicks into place. This could also be the reasoning behind the Mandalorian Wars - to further extend their dark powers by destroying Malacor V, and creating their dark temple there. This only leaves one Sith to explain away - Darth Nihilious. It occured to me that he could be Exar Kunn, but I'm not totally sure about that one. Again, total speculation.

Sith Commando · Post by **Sith Commando** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:47 pm

[QUOTE=Gambit]A speculation, if you will...

It is a very viable possibility that Darth Sion and Kreia are both characters previously mentioned in the story plot. We know that Malak went to the dark side, and from the Hidden Tomb we know that he was bald, it could be taken that he became Darth Sion after the Jedi Civil War, and that Kreia was at one time Revan. This would fit nicely into the storyline, and also explain where Revan went after the Jedi Civil War - in search of the Exile. We know that Darth Sion's master was Kreia, and with the game kind of allowing you to indicate the sex of Revan, if you allow Revan to be a female, it just clicks into place. This could also be the reasoning behind the Mandalorian Wars - to further extend their dark powers by destroying Malacor V, and creating their dark temple there. This only leaves one Sith to explain away - Darth Nihilious. It occured to me that he could be Exar Kunn, but I'm not totally sure about that one. Again, total speculation.[/QUOTE]

whoa whoa whoa, how could sion be malak if malak was killed at the star forge? and how could kreia be revan if she taught revan, and was exiled out of the order?, revan never came back to be exiled. plus revan is still in the unknown regions doing who knows wat. and you also forget that malak lost his jaw causeing him to have to wear that metal thing around his face. and it wasnt the sith that destroyed malacor, it was the exile.
(Bao-Dur created the mass shadow generator, and the Exile gave the command to use it). now the Exar Kunn thing is out there, but its possible he was brought back to life.(only to die agian)

Gambit · Post by **Gambit** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:17 pm

lol - totally overlooked that - my mistake.

The Exile Revan · Post by **The Exile Revan** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 4:07 am

[QUOTE=Gambit]lol - totally overlooked that - my mistake.[/QUOTE]And the fact that Malak was missing the bottom part of is jaw.

Then there is the fact that Kreia is to old to be Revan, and that she freely admits to Revan being her padawan.

Sith Commando · Post by **Sith Commando** » Fri Jun 23, 2006 2:51 pm

[QUOTE=The Exile Revan]And the fact that Malak was missing the bottom part of is jaw.

Then there is the fact that Kreia is to old to be Revan, and that she freely admits to Revan being her padawan.[/QUOTE]

didi i not just say that?

Leet · Post by **Leet** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:17 pm

Atris

Wats up with these pics of Atris (Ls) on one side and Dark Nihilus (Ds) on the other? Are they the same person or waT? Can som1 answer that?

EDIT: yeh i know ther not the same person , i was just wonderin cauz thers always together in pics but never in the game

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:40 pm

[QUOTE=Leet]Wats up with these pics of Atris (Ls) on one side and Dark Nihilus (Ds) on the other?[/QUOTE]
Its just to show the good (Atris) and the bad side (Darth Nihilus) present in the game.

[QUOTE=Leet]
Are they the same person or waT?[/QUOTE]
Nope. Two totally different people. You should know this if you've played the game.

Leet · Post by **Leet** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:27 pm

Sion and Nihilus

so if ive seen rite the cut content shows that Sion and Nihilus teamed up and like Beat the Crap out of Kreia and thers other video i didnt see on the team gizka thing YouTube - KOTOR 2 Cut Content: Sion Versus Nihilus
that video is Nihilus like usin the force to beat up Sion . so is ther more info on them ?