KOTOR vs. KOTOR 2 (SPOILERS)

Lord X · Post by **Lord X** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:43 pm

KotOR 4 Life

Kotor 1 had
1.Better storyline
2.better companions
3.more enjoyable
4. ETC

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:52 pm

i agree, but you have to admit, kotorII has soooooo much more bells and whistles. if they could combine all the cool material elements of kotorII with the great way the plot flowed in kotorI, kotorIII (if there is one which i doubt) would be the single greatest game. think about it. the plot of kotorII sucked. the lack of cool things you could do in kotorI sucked. but if you could get a really good plot, like kotorI, and all the cool things like in kotorII itd be awsome on so many levels.

but, i think that kotorI is way better then II. in my opinion, being sucked into the game and being shocked, is better then having 7 different lightsaber forms.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:08 am

[QUOTE=Kayos]i agree, but you have to admit, kotorII has soooooo much more bells and whistles. if they could combine all the cool material elements of kotorII with the great way the plot flowed in kotorI, kotorIII (if there is one which i doubt) would be the single greatest game. think about it. the plot of kotorII sucked. the lack of cool things you could do in kotorI sucked. but if you could get a really good plot, like kotorI, and all the cool things like in kotorII itd be awsome on so many levels.[/QUOTE]
In fact, if both Obsidian and Bioware teamed up to make the next KOTOR, like Bioware focus on the story and Obsidian on the gameplay mechanics, the game will turn out for the better.

[QUOTE=Kayos]
but, i think that kotorI is way better then II. in my opinion, being sucked into the game and being shocked, is better then having 7 different lightsaber forms.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. In fact, the plot in KOTOR 2 made me scratch my head more than any game I've encountered in my life. Had Lucasarts been more patient, the story might be more complete but still, I'm not a big fan of complex storylines to be honest here.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:12 am

[QUOTE=DesR85]=I'm not a big fan of complex storylines to be honest here.[/QUOTE]

Complex storylines are fine, as long as they are explained fully so that they make sense. Kotor2 had a good storyline (IMO) but the problem was that they did not explain it properly so it was hard to follow. Whether this was due to the cut content or due to bad design, I do not know, but I think the story in Kotor 1 is so much better because it was explained thoroughly as the game went on and everything fell into place.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:36 pm

i agree. but only if the story is told out and completly understood. what i had to do, because after i played II i still didnt know what the hell had happened, i had to go look up the plot on wookieepedia.com. then i got it. so i agree with both of you.

heck yes itd be awsome if they did that! combining the to companies sounds like a good idea to me. it really does. with the great way bioware did kotorI and the awsome things that where in obsidians kotorII it would be, like i said, the single greates game ever.

but also with my experiance, and im quite positive it applies here, the sequels always suck compared to the original, whether or not they have explained and made completly sure that its understandable, it just happens despite the delvolopers best efforts.

but star wars has proved me wrong before and i hope it does again.

Bada-Bing-Boom · Post by **Bada-Bing-Boom** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:28 pm

Although it's a good idea i'm not sure if it would work. But I could be wrong. Anyway, KOTOR 1 was better as far as party members go. They had more depth and you could interact with them more even if you can't romance them. And of course Jolee cracked me up (HK-47 did also so i'm glad they brought him back). Canderous was cool, Bastila was hot, and Zaalbar was pretty dang tough. i loved them!!!

Darth_Juro · Post by **Darth_Juro** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:41 pm

In my opinion if they would have just spent more time on II and didn't cut out as much stuff as they did it would surpass I by alot.*SPOILER*
What bothered me in II was the droid factory.....if they cut it why did HK-47 mention it and it was still a large part of his dialoge options....if you cut something fix it to where there is no trace of it in the game so it doesn't leave people wondering and upset.

Stevie · Post by **Stevie** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:04 pm

** Spoilers for KOTOR II **

I've just finished KOTOR II, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with it. The plot is so full of babble and confusion, and even after finishing the game I still don't know what the significance of my character was! S/he's a 'wound' in the force, s/he could kill the Force, blah, blah, blah. What the hell?
The character interaction was VERY disappointing. Whereas in KOTOR I, you get to have a new conversation with virtually every other character each time you level up, but in KOTOR II you have the same damn conversations over and over, there's nothing new except the odd occasion (e.g. playing a male and interacting with the Handmaiden and the blind chick...and even then there's little depth in the relationships).

And the ending (LS) was awful, can't believe that's how it ends! The game is pretty buggy too. For example, the driod you pick up on Nar Shadaa has a few cut scenes in which it destroys the other little droid belonging to whatshisface (the fella who built the Shadow Generator), but the same little driod is a selectable character for an important mission on the Malachor surface. Also when the little driod enters all four sequences for the shadow generator, you get a sinister cut scene when ther 'evil' droid appears and threatens to prevent the activation of the shadow generator, yet when the time fimally comes, we don't see what happens to the two driods!

And another gripe - it's great that you can teach others to use the Force but the 'teaching' aspect only ever happens once...it would be cool if throughout the game you could offer advice or have some sabre sparring sessions with your 'padwaan'.

And one of the most annoying things I noticed in KOTOR II - where the hell are the Dark Jedi? Until the final level I could count on one hand the number of dark Jedi I had encountered.
I loved KOTOR I when you get to fight fellow lightsabre wielding, force-using baddies on every planet, in KOTOR II there's hardly any! Instead we have to kill animals and those boring Sith assasins. Not comparable with the Dark Jedi/Siths in the first game

Good stuff - you can level up to a far higher degree than in KOTOR I, and get a whole lot of cool Force Powers.
That's the only advantage KOTOR II has over the original IMO.

(old)Mandalore · Post by **(old)Mandalore** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:07 am

[QUOTE=Darth Zenemij]But Canderous is Mandalore!! It won't let me attach the proof that I found, But Here is a pic.[/QUOTE]
Where did you get that?How did you get that?I like KotOR 1 better and one of my main reasons is this:Look at the length of time the characters have after you recruit them in KotOR 1 it has 9 levels or so you can take any character to you only go to two different planets after the one your at to get them!That is something I also dislike on KotOR 2 it seems so small once you get your characters to be jedi it is time for the final mission!!!

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:25 am

[QUOTE=(old)Mandalore]I like KotOR 1 better and one of my main reasons is this:Look at the length of time the characters have after you recruit them in KotOR 1 it has 9 levels or so you can take any character to you only go to two different planets after the one your at to get them!That is something I also dislike on KotOR 2 it seems so small once you get your characters to be jedi it is time for the final mission!!!

[/QUOTE]

But you can't make your party members Jedi at all in KotoR1, so this is a new feature in KotoR2. If you want to work direct comparisons, then you can have your party in both games advance just as many levels--just leave the Jedi conversion out of it.

I'm not suggesting you change your opinions regarding the games, but compare their features at least on an equal footing.

Sith Commando · Post by **Sith Commando** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:41 am

[QUOTE=fable]But you can't make your party members Jedi at all in KotoR1,[/QUOTE]

well, you can make them use the force but they can`t wield lightsabers. I`ve done it eight times now, and It`s helpfull in difficult situations. Especially on Taris.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:06 am

and just how do you get off on doing that exactly?

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:07 am

[QUOTE=Sith Commando]well, you can make them use the force but they can`t wield lightsabers. I`ve done it eight times now, and It`s helpfull in difficult situations. Especially on Taris.[/QUOTE]
I also find it hard to believe that its possible to turn ordinary members into force adepts in KOTOR 1. Can you explain how do you do it?

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:18 am

[QUOTE=Sith Commando]well, you can make them use the force but they can`t wield lightsabers. I`ve done it eight times now, and It`s helpfull in difficult situations. Especially on Taris.[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming you used an editor to place a lightsaber in their hands, but none of this is relevant to the question that was asked, or to my reply. Please stay on subject. Thanks.

Sith Commando · Post by **Sith Commando** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:56 am

[QUOTE=DesR85]I also find it hard to believe that its possible to turn ordinary members into force adepts in KOTOR 1. Can you explain how do you do it?[/QUOTE]

@ fable:no, I have the xbox version.@DesR85:and what you do is, you make sure that the party members you want to be able to use the have a level option and make sure you have a level up. go to the level up menu and press A and immediatly press the black button and your party members picture should be in the top left corner where yours would normally be in. gamewinners.com can explain it better.

sorry fable, I`ll get back on topic now.
(oops,sorry, it double posted)

seejai · Post by **seejai** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:28 pm

kotor 2

well i think its funny how the guys have all the chicks fighting over them and the girls have uh ill protect u so we girls get jipped from that sort of thing heheh..
is it just me or does the first one have better graphics

philpjfry · Post by **philpjfry** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:31 am

Personally I prefer the first one because it had a story with an actual ending, it had a lot less bugs, and it didn't have content cut from it that was important to the story like a whole plant that was cut and the cut scene in which the remote, GOTO, HK 47 face of which explains why the Mass shadow generator goes off when you’re a light sider. Even though you start out as a jedi in the second game, which is good it's ruined because of Peragus. And to respond to seejai I think that the first one looked better but it’s because it wasn't as dark as the second one so you can actually see things around even when it's just a desert like Tatooine as apposed to Malachor V that was to dark it was hard to see the path especially with all the turns you have to make I had to use Breath Control all the time just to see it.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 12:48 am

[QUOTE=seejai]
is it just me or does the first one have better graphics[/QUOTE]
Well, the graphics in KOTOR 2 were more polished than the first one but I agree with both you and philpjfry that the looks in KOTOR 1 is much better than KOTOR 2. More brighter compared to KOTOR 2 where most of the locations are dark. In terms of the atmosphere, I think that KOTOR 2 tends to be darker than KOTOR 1 even though I've only played light side on both of them. Spoilers:

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Coupled with the fact that how the story unfolds in KOTOR 2 sometimes give me the chills especially the part where Kreia kills off the three Jedi masters at the rebuilt Jedi Enclave near the end.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:49 am

i agree. the graphics in the 1st one seemed so much more complete. but then again everything was complete in the 1st KotOR as opposed to the 2nd.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 5:07 am

Haven't just replayed KOTOR1 a couple of times after KOTOR2, I still retain that KOTOR2 is the superior game. It is simply better. Sure it has a number of bugs and broken side-plot lines, but compared to KOTOR the plot and story in the sequal is just leauges beyond - it actually forces you to think a bit instead of the straight forward silver-plate of KOTOR 1.

Skills means more in KOTOR2, Weapons and NPCs can be customized more, and even turned to Jedi in KOTOR2, the NPC AI is more solid in KOTOR2 (Try Jedi Support in KOTOR1 and KOTOR2 ... huge difference of the usefullness of them), the story is better in KOTOR2 (if listen to), the higher level cap (hated the L20 cap in KOTOR1) and so on..... I hope KOTOR3 will be more like the second then the first.

The story in KOTOR 1 was so straight forward that is was annoying. Come on - who seriously didn't see the "twist" in the first one if they actually took heed of what was said in various convesations with Bastila and the Masters on Dantooine? "Silverplate" served, whereas in KOTOR2 you had to connect many of the dots instead of having the dots connected for you, until a few points which tied up many things.

The only preference I have in KOTOR1 over KOTOR2 is the fact that you can get some Lore from sources about "the Builders", although they are still rather undefined. That is a nice tie in, but outside this - I just don't see any aspect, besides the fewer bugs/broken quests, where KOTOR1 is superior in any way to KOTOR2.

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