Mod Difficulties = help

[joe05]

Guys/Mr_Sir: thanks for the mod info !
The mods aren't working ?
The readme.txt says: "I don't need to start a new game".
I'm confused

The mods I stalled are.........>
* NPC Flirt Package ... I believe from pocketplane(?)
Not sure if it's working because I never experienced the old scripsts. But I installed it the same way as the ease-of-use mod.

* I installed some of the ease-to-use mods.
Those I installed aren't working.
I even added a few more + re-installed the previous ones ... just re-loaded a save to check and 2 mods didn't work = so I assume none are working ?

I'm not tech savvy, so I'll explain what I did.
* downloaded the NPC Flirt Pack .zip
* then I proceeded to the Setup NPC Flirt .exe
* then I choose "0" for English and installed the scripts + hit ENTER
I just checked and it says they are installed ... do I want to uninstall etc

* downloaded the ease-of-use mod
* then proceeded to the Setup ease-of-use .exe
* went through the installation
1) "0" for English
2) installed the "Imonen" + "Party" + "Romance"(... not the "say anything mod")
3) hit ENTER

Did not work last night.
I did the Sewers/Unseeing Eye/Sculptor quests.
Returned to the Helm Temple and both Viconia and Edwin got upset and left.
My reputation hit 20.
I thought the mod prevented that from happening ?

Ok.
Went back this morning to check both Mods.
NPC Flirt: says scripts are installed
Ease-of-Use: asked me if I wanted to install those "not" installed and/or go through them all.
I went thru them all.
* I added the " No Gather Your Party Voice" mod
* I added the "Rest Anywhere" ... since I'm outside the Helm Temple, I thought this would test to see if the install took
* I re-installed all the other Mods ... "Party" + "Romance"(... not the "say anything mod")
* hit Enter
( the installation scripting said " installed so-and-so mod ... copying 1 file ... patching 1 file etc)

I've done this now 3 times

So, just to check again, I reloaded the save prior to going into the Helm Temple.
* I clicked REST = said I can't rest there
* talked to the head guy, got my reputation point(s) and BOTH Viconia and Edwin went through the same outbursts and left

So, I'm lost
Did I not install the mods correctly ?
Both mods (readme.txt) "NPC Flirt Package" and "Ease-of-Use" say they work with current games, no need to start a new game.
Since I'm not tech savvy, I'm wondering if I missed a step in the install.
I assumed hit "ENTER" after each mod install was all I had to do to finish the install.

Now, I guess I can play "as is", but I'll have to save before every possible rep upgrade + how can I romance Viconia if I keep kicking her out and taking her back ... is she basically for those neutral or evil ? .... should I have started with a lesser rep and not chose "lawful good"
I'm onto the next Helm quest ... not even done Umar Hills ...I'm assuming many more rep upgrades ? ... do I have to keep kicking out Viconia/Edwin- then rep upgrade - then re-add them all the way through ToB

The fights were tough .. changed discs (8?) times last night ... now this = I'm getting a bit frustrated/aggravated

Guys = need more help !
Hope you can wade through all the above
Need any clarification OR want me to "get to the point"; just ask ... I really like this game and want to do more than one run-through ... but it's killing me physically and mentally

[Da_venom]

NPC flirtpack should work

i'm not sure about ease of use though

but anyway try to make anew game and see if it works there if it does problem solved

if not
did u patch bg2 first?

[joe05]

Da Venom: both SoA and ToB are patched.

I re-read the readme.txt for all the mods = I have no idea

NPC Flirt Pack: says my character should be able to initiate romance by "talking" to the NPC ?
When I talk to Jeheira, I see 20(?) choices and the first two are "Light the Candle" and "Ring the Bell" ... the others seem to be game related (?) as well ... no romantic responses at all ?

The Ease-of-Use Mods: well, the voice that says "You Must Gather Your Party"; it has stopped ... only the text is shown
So, I guess that mod works

"Rest Anywhere" - not working

I had to redo 3+hrs because I forgot to kick out Viconia/Edwin after the "Tanner Quest", which was after the "NPC-Bard quest through that portal"(... can't spell his name) ... yep, they both left in a huff after my rep hit 20.

I'll probably just uninstall them all = just too darn frustrating
I may start a new game, though I think one run through is all I can take of BG2 ... I like a big party because of the dialogue, but with party members looking to kill each other(... which I guess will happen at some point) + others leaving because of my reputation; well, it's becoming more of a bother than an enjoyment
I guess I just don't understand how "to sustain a regular 5/6 party group".

I'm onto the graveyard, so I added Korgan(sp?) ... he seems evil ... I'll bet we run into more conflicts ... I hope nobody leaves

After, I will just dump Viconia/Edwin/Korgan ... add Aerie/Valygar(..when I get to Umar Hills) and Mazzy(... she's I think in Temple Ruins)
I think they are aligned "good" ... I don't think this is a very good party, but it will save me from redoing quests + trying to figure out when members will leave ?

As for another game; we'll see.
I wasn't expecting this game to be so frustrating ... luckily, no disc swapping last night
I wish I could just get by with ME + Jeheira + Jan ... add others to further more questing oportunities .. but that's to weak of a party for my gaming/BG2 abilities + much of the dialogue/funny-mean banter would be lost

I called some tech savvy people(...not gamers), they believe I installed them correctly ... not knowing BG2, they couldn't be certain
So I'm lost/frustrated/confused .... taking away from the enjoyment of the game

If I try another game, I'll uninstall all mods, repatch both SoA and ToB and just try the NPC Flirt pack.
Though, as of the Graveyard, I see no evidence that it's working ... my initiating talk brings up no romantic dialogue options


By the lack of posts, I can see nobody had an answer :-(
That's ok guys, you helped enough ... must be a incompatibility problem somewhere ?

I'm just going to plow thru to ToB and see what's what.

[Spineles]

If installed correctly, any mod should work when you start a new game. Some might say it should work in active games but chances are some required variables are not set in old games. My advice would be to first install any mods and then play a new game. Expecting the mods not to work in any already started game will keep your sanity save.

The alignment system is rather simple, wether you are good or evil you should not let any opposite sided characters join. The only exception would be Viconia for a good aligned party if talked to correctly. There are 16 different npc's to join your cause so you will have to choose. The standard good aligned party, but also a lot of fun, would be:
You
Imoen
Jaheira
Minsc
Yoshimo
Aerie

After Imoen dissapears, you can leave the 6th spot open for temperary characters and still have a very balanced party. I.e. let someone join your group, solve the personal quests and dump em.

I'd say you have done all the correct things installing the mods. I'm sorry to hear about this much frustration caused by a great game like Baldur's Gate.

[joe05]

Spineles: thanks !
I'm keeping Viconia and Edwin(a) for now ... Viconia has lightened up; a bit ?
I noticed Valygar hates both, so I just had him open the Sphere
I'm going to get Mazzy tonight ... be my last part member
I also think the NPC Flirt pack is working ? ... Viconia had a rather matue dialogue with my character + she's talking about a relationship/marriage etc, even though I've been romancing Jeheira ... still, the options I get when initiating dialogue with Jeheira are rather weird
I'm still a bit frustrated = probably the disc swapping + do-overs
Tough getting in out of my wheelchair and redoing tough fights etc.
I'm saving more !!!!
They still leave(Vic-Ed) when my rep hit 20 :-(
Still clueless on spellcasting ... I will give another game/try with a spellcaster as my main character ... not sure of the most powerful/tank-like character = I'll go thru the portraits etc

Not sure where I'm at in the game ... 1/2-2/3 done
I think, because I'm melee orientated and not resting much, the dialogue hasn't progressed as far = maybe more "game time" helps ?

So, are you saying to try the mods "as is"(... already installed) = when I start a new game
"OR"
Uninstall the mods, then re-install them .... then start a new game

I'm not giving up ... may do "GOOD" party and even try an "EVIL" party
Thus, not mixing any characters
Guess I needed to blow off steam = yep, GameBanshee has saved my sanity more than once

[Spineles]

[QUOTE=joe05]Spineles: thanks ![/QUOTE]
No problem :laugh:
[QUOTE=joe05]I'm still a bit frustrated = probably the disc swapping + do-overs [/QUOTE]
I believe the disc swapping can be prevented by doing a complete install. This part is hard for me to remember because I've had Baldur's Gate 2: Throne of Bhaal for ages. When installed you only need the Throne of Bhaal play CD to run, this includes Shadows of Amn!
[QUOTE=joe05]They still leave(Vic-Ed) when my rep hit 20 :-([/QUOTE]
Expect the mods not to work and the only surprise you get should be possitive. Having Viconia, you have a very effective way of decreasing your reputation without hurting anyone. Drop Viconia out of your party and then invite her again (do save in case she leaves the area!), recruiting a drow always drops your reputation with 2 points.
[QUOTE=joe05]Still clueless on spellcasting ... I will give another game/try with a spellcaster as my main character ... not sure of the most powerful/tank-like character = I'll go thru the portraits etc[/QUOTE]
My first advice would be to replay the game's tutorial which also explains spellcasting. Secondly I'd advise you to start a new thread about this seeing as this has nothing to do with mods and the explanation could take a long post.
[QUOTE=joe05]I think, because I'm melee orientated and not resting much, the dialogue hasn't progressed as far = maybe more "game time" helps ?[/QUOTE]
One trick often used for romancing is knowing how the time works. The dialogue will proceed after a certain game time. However this doesn't pause when you set the game to pause. When going for a drink/sleep/choir/work/walk keep Baldur's Gate running with the game paused. The game time will increase dramaticly without effort :laugh:
[QUOTE=joe05]So, are you saying to try the mods "as is"(... already installed) = when I start a new game
"OR"
Uninstall the mods, then re-install them .... then start a new game[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming you installed the mods for a reason. You could let this game count as a learning game and leave it. Your efforts to keep going are remarkable but why force yourself to do so? Remember that you can play the game multiple times with completly different parties. When you haven't played through the game yet you shouldn't make it more difficult for yourself then it already is. Having conflicting npc's join you, like Edwin and Valygar, during the same game means trouble. Having played the entire sage countless of times and thus knowing their backgrounds, I wouldn't even want to use the happy mod to play with Edwin and Valygar simultaniously.

Remember though that this is just my advice and it should be your decision on what you want to do!
[QUOTE=joe05]I'm not giving up ... may do "GOOD" party and even try an "EVIL" party
Thus, not mixing any characters
Guess I needed to blow off steam = yep, GameBanshee has saved my sanity more than once [/QUOTE]
The greatest thing about Baldur's Gate is that you can't complete the game in one run. Don't try find a relax party and enjoy the story. The story really is great and I would love to have a memory loss in order to play the game as new

[tresca]

*smiles couldn find the topic i wanted to post this in and this is the next best one so here goes. Ive done the debug=1 for clua console an looked commands up on web etc an entered them but when i enter them i get ActiveSstack: its blank also tried setting character xp an it just repeats the xp an doesnt change nything. what am i doing wrong call me dumb if ya like just help me plz.....also how do i set love talks to certain lines?

[joe05]

Spineles: first off thanks for the help !
Second thanks for the kind words

Will try inserting the ToB disc ?

I'm basically only using the mods for the romance + the rep problems.
I'm not mixing evil-good characters ... only Viconia/Edwin ... I noticed the Valygar vs Edwin/Viconia difficulties
If Edwin gives me problems, I have Aerie waiting at the Copper Coronet ... her low hit points werre killing me/HER

Yes, when, if ever I get through all SoA/ToB, I will start a new thread on Spellcasters.
Starting Thieves Quest = not sure how far into the game(s) I am
Quests getting tougher = took all night to do the Sphere
Magic is still my probklem ... more I try to use it, more trouble/deaths happen to my party .. going with Me(Elf-Archer); Jeheira; Viconia; Mazzy; Edwin; Jan

May even give BG1 a try ... see how this saga started out
First though, months of BG2 ... since I can only play certain types of games, "I beat them to death"
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Tresca: in my notes, it says......>
Debug Mode=1
*** no variation ***
Under "Program Options" in the Baldurs.ini file

I've seem CTRL+SPACEBAR for the console ?
My notes say CTRL-SPACEBAR ... I think you hold down the CTRL key and hit "-" then "spacebar"
I used it once when I started my first run through = I could be mistaken
I have bunches of FAQ/Tips/Info on this game = some are conflicting

No idea on the love talk = I'm having trouble myself with the romance parts

[Spineles]

@Joe05
Since you're an archer you must be of good alignment as per the ranger restrictions. Furthermore Mazzy is good aligned and although Jaheira says she's true neutral, her attitude really feels more like a good aligned. Jan is funny and with chaotic neutral can join any party while Viconia can prosper in a good aligned party, Edwin really doesn't fit the party.

Even if you have done all possible quests in chapter 2 you're online 1/3th ahead in the game.

Also Aerie can be very powerfull despite her low hit points. She can cast both stoneskin and mirror image making her very though to kill. You should also know that most spells that effect an area, including fireball, will effect all persons in that area. The only exception I can think of is a level 8 spell called Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting which excludes friendly characters.

[joe05]

Spineles: ok
I just started Brynnlaw ... The Spellhold quest
Well, I'm on the island = all I know as of now
Geez, only 1/3 through = ouch .... seems the difficulty is ramping up

I might just load a prior save and put Aerie in.

Tried your "pause" advice + resting much more often

The ToB disc didn't work.
I still need to swap SoA #2 and #3.
I did a full install = all 4 SoA + 1 ToB
Maybe I messed up ?
Basically, I just play till getting up/down becomes dangerous
Maybe I'll figure out when #2 or #3 is needed and do all those quests per disc = that would make things much easier

Thanks for your help !
Guess Aerie gets a shot in my party = poor Aerie

[joe05]

Just wanted to "Thank" everyone !

Yes, starting ToB was the answer to the Mod difficulties
I guess you need to start a new game.
The mods are great; especially the Flirtpack ... love some of the dialogue options and the responses

I made it thru SoA ... had to cheat a bit and create the Rod of Ressurection
About the Undferdark time, it was taking me 10+ tries and I'd still lose 2-4 party members
When I got it to about 1-2; I just created some rods.
I'm sure there must be a spell to bring back party members, but we all know how I love spellcasters.

I have been doing research and will hopefully be back soon so you guys can help me "build a K.I.S.S. Spellcaster" ... emphasis on Simple and Stupid

Anyways I made it to ToB; thanks to you guys !

Now they're hitting my party with Timestop = will it ever end
I'm over to that board now to see how to stop it/Timestop.

If you can, hop over and help me; AGAIN