Discussion: After Defeating the Dark Lord

DarthMalevolent · Post by **DarthMalevolent** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:48 pm

Doesn't that make your character the NEW Dark Lord of the Sith? Isn't that the way the Sith handle promotions?

It just seems to me that if a Jedi were to defeat the Dark Lord, then they'd automatically be the new Dark Lord, and could do whatever they wanted with the Sith. What do you think?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:51 am

No. If you are a LS Jedi you don't become the Dark Lord of the Sith because ... well, you are neither Dark nor Sith

You just depripe them of leadership so the next "powermonger" can step in and assume control.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 1:04 am

[QUOTE=DarthMalevolent]
It just seems to me that if a Jedi were to defeat the Dark Lord, then they'd automatically be the new Dark Lord, and could do whatever they wanted with the Sith. What do you think?[/QUOTE]
As what Xandax has said, it won't make any sense for a LS Jedi or any Jedi fighting for the Republic to take the mantle of Dark Lord after defeating the current one.

DarthMalevolent · Post by **DarthMalevolent** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:52 pm

[QUOTE=DesR85]As what Xandax has said, it won't make any sense for a LS Jedi or any Jedi fighting for the Republic to take the mantle of Dark Lord after defeating the current one.

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I dunno... I think it'd be funny:

"Yeah, I'm a Jedi that's so lightside I get the bonus... but I'M IN CHARGE NOW, FOOL!!! What are you going to DO about it?! I just cut your "Dark Lord" into quivering chunks with my lightsaber!

Trust me, you DON'T want a piece of this!"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Bada-Bing-Boom · Post by **Bada-Bing-Boom** » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:54 pm

actually it kinda makes sense. after this entire long journey you finally see the Sith as what they truly are and so you can't resist it and you are finally seduced to the Dark Side of the Force. *sigh* Rise Lord Vader. Rise.

Stevie · Post by **Stevie** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:06 pm

Oncethe dark Lord is defeated the next most powerful takes charge, In the case of KOTOR, the next dark lord would be Trayas. Or Sion. Or maybe Nilhius. Er...

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:37 pm

[QUOTE=Bada-Bing-Boom]actually it kinda makes sense. after this entire long journey you finally see the Sith as what they truly are and so you can't resist it and you are finally seduced to the Dark Side of the Force. *sigh* Rise Lord Vader. Rise.[/QUOTE]
Well, it makes sense if the Jedi is kind of weak in character or is easily influenced. But most will ignore that temptation. Also, the defeat of a Sith Lord doesn't necessarily signal willingness to take the mantle of the dark lord. Think about this: Imagine you're a clone trooper (along with your squad) who managed to defeat/kill the Sith lord, do you think that you will take the throne? I think not. More likely he'll plant charges around the base and blow it to smithereens or just send in an airstrike to do the job. Sorry if I'm off the mark here but I wanted to point out the reason as to why defeating the Sith Lord does not necessarily mean that he/she will take the mantle of the Sith Lord.

EDIT: Had to change some of my sentences and words.

DarthMalevolent · Post by **DarthMalevolent** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:01 pm

[QUOTE=DesR85]Well, it makes sense if the Jedi is kind of weak in character or is easily influenced. But most will ignore that temptation. Also, the defeat of a Sith Lord doesn't necessarily signal willingness to take the mantle of the dark lord. Think about this: Imagine you're a clone trooper (along with your squad) who managed to defeat/kill the Sith lord, do you think that you will take the throne? I think not. More likely he'll plant charges around the base and blow it to smithereens or just send in an airstrike to do the job. Sorry if I'm off the mark here but I wanted to point out the reason as to why defeating the Sith Lord does not necessarily mean that he/she will take the mantle of the Sith Lord.

EDIT: Had to change some of my sentences and words.

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You're missing the point, though.

Ok, the Sith believe in promotion through power - so that if you kill your superior, you get his position... right?

So, if a Jedi (lightside) defeats the Dark Lord in single combat, then he's just bested the presumed best of the Sith, and is therefore eligible to BE Lord of the Sith - he doesn't have to be dark, just strong enough to defeat any underlings that may try for his position... he could use his power as the defacto leader of the Sith to cause them to cease and desist, as long as nobody within the Sith has the power to defeat him in single combat.

Sith Dog · Post by **Sith Dog** » Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:10 pm

But a Lightside Jedi would'nt want to become Dark Lord of the Sith. He would want stay away from the Darkside and stay a servant of the Light.

:laugh:

DarthMalevolent · Post by **DarthMalevolent** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:35 pm

Sith Dog wrote:But a Lightside Jedi would'nt want to become Dark Lord of the Sith. He would want stay away from the Darkside and stay a servant of the Light. :laugh:

Yeah, but he wouldn't HAVE to go darkside to be Lord of the Sith - he's the most powerful, right? He could take out their #1 dude, declare himself to be the new Sith Lord, and tell them all to cease and desist. It'd be hilarious! :laugh:

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:47 am

DarthMalevolent wrote: Ok, the Sith believe in promotion through power - so that if you kill your superior, you get his position... right?

Through the perspective of a Sith, yes.

DarthMalevolent wrote: So, if a Jedi (lightside) defeats the Dark Lord in single combat, then he's just bested the presumed best of the Sith, and is therefore eligible to BE Lord of the Sith - he doesn't have to be dark, just strong enough to defeat any underlings that may try for his position... he could use his power as the defacto leader of the Sith to cause them to cease and desist, as long as nobody within the Sith has the power to defeat him in single combat.

This is the point where I have a hard time understanding. I don't read Star Wars the Expanded Universe books but I still don't get how some Jedi who defeats his/her enemy, the Sith lord, will just suddenly decide to take the mantle of the Sith Lord. It doesn't sound logical to me. Shouldn't the title, in fact, be passed down to the Sith Lord's apprentice?

I don't think the enemy is that stupid to just willingly allow that Jedi (let alone an outsider) to take on the role of Sith Lord after defeating their master. That Jedi will more likely be hounded by the Sith for killing their master if you ask me.

Another thought: You're a soldier of an army who killed the general of an opposing army. Do you automatically become the general of that army? Of course not. The dead general's second in command will take his/her place and will hunt you down for what you did.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:56 am

DesR85 wrote:Shouldn't the title, in fact, be passed down to the Sith Lord's apperentice?

Thats my view on the situation. The person who defeats the Sith Lord does not automatically become the Sith Lord. Its just that the Sith have a culture where eventually the Sith Lord's apprentice betrays him/her, kills him/her and takes over as Sith Lord.

For example, in Kotor1, Malak would have become Sith Lord even if the Jedi had been the ones to defeat Revan as Malak was the next most powerful Sith and Revan's apprentice.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:45 am

DarthMalevolent wrote:You're missing the point, though.

Ok, the Sith believe in promotion through power - so that if you kill your superior, you get his position... right?

So, if a Jedi (lightside) defeats the Dark Lord in single combat, then he's just bested the presumed best of the Sith, and is therefore eligible to BE Lord of the Sith - he doesn't have to be dark, just strong enough to defeat any underlings that may try for his position... he could use his power as the defacto leader of the Sith to cause them to cease and desist, as long as nobody within the Sith has the power to defeat him in single combat.

A Jedi is not a Sith (unless fallen/turned) and the Sith wouldn't recognize a non-Sith (especially Jedi) as their leader. It is as others says as well. It isn't neasecarily the one that kills the Dark Lord which takes on the title of Dark Lord. It is just that Apprentice/Master often contest for power once the Apprentice is becomming powerfull as part of the "Sith culture". To become Dark Lord you have to be Sith.

"You" might however - as Jedi - be able to command the Sith around due to them being affraid of you, however I would think most would try to kill the Jedi - and that doesn't title the Jedi as Dark Lord, moreso then the Sith as a type of prisoner of "war"

..... unless ofcourse the Jedi get corrupted by the power he suddenly has within his hands and then turns to the Dark Side, which would make for an excellent roleplaying question (a lightside Jedi falling all at once because he has the chance to become Dark Lord)

A Lightside Jedi wouldn't become Dark Lord unless he turns.