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Here is a screenshot of my [url="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i21/haydox2006/snap250.jpg"]character sheet[/url], and i am wondering what to spend my exp on. I could either improve one of my discliplines, improve me firearms, or improve my melee skills so i am a little better with swords/knives/ etc. (Bearing in mind i am a Runaway so unarmed costs more to raise). Or i could increase Haggle as buying ammo for the Spas is not cheap!

What do you think i should do?

Thanks

Haydox

P.S. I could also sell 1 point of hunanity as i am a strangly nice vampire, to get a bit more to spend :D

P.P.S. *Spoiler*
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I managed to gain 1 point of humanity, a masquerade redemption and still kill the murderer in the Carnival of Death Quest to gain exp (seemed odd to me!) :D
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Ok, done a few more side quests and i now have 24 (i think) points to spend. I was thinking maybe presence would be a good choice as at level 5 is drastically lowers opponents attacking abilities (by 5) and it has 25% mesmerise chance.
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haydox wrote:Ok, done a few more side quests and i now have 24 (i think) points to spend. I was thinking maybe presence would be a good choice as at level 5 is drastically lowers opponents attacking abilities (by 5) and it has 25% mesmerise chance.
Hmm. Looks a lot like a Ventrue. Anahoo, no matter.

You can try to construct the perfect character. Unless you're a real bean counter, it's not going to happen. You're going to have spreadsheets out the hoo-hah, and there are just too many variables to account for completely.

There are a few things that you can use as general rules, though. Some try to max out their disciplines, but there is a limit to how far you can max them out before the XP expense becomes too expensive. You run into the law of diminishing returns. I typically try to get my two main offensive disciplines to level 3 and my passive to level 2. Beyond that, it's usually not worth the XP.

There are some feats that all clans have that are worth maxing out. Ranged is at the top of this list. High ranged is golden, but hard to come by. If, in the fullness of time, you can't quite max out your ranged, then if you have Auspex, you can kick it up a bit and maybe make up the difference.

It doesn't really depend on what clan you choose. It depends on what game you are playing. The trick is not what you should be spending your XP on, but whether or not you are spending them wisely for the game you are playing. Marshalling them as you are doing is wise, because then you can get to a higher level and discover what you need to be spending them on. Smart strategy.
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There are a few things that you can use as general rules, though. Some try to max out their disciplines, but there is a limit to how far you can max them out before the XP expense becomes too expensive. You run into the law of diminishing returns. I typically try to get my two main offensive disciplines to level 3 and my passive to level 2. Beyond that, it's usually not worth the XP
I disagree. If you know the game well enough to know where all the free stat increases are, you can easily get all three of your disciplines to level 5 and still have xp to spend on other things. However, judging by how much xp you've already spent and how much you say you have, I would guess you're either well into Hollywood by now. If that's true, then you've already missed many opportunites for free stat increases and now it's time to play conservatively.

I'm a big fan of stealth, myself. There will be a point near the end of the game where you will be caught in a crossfire between 4 flaming crossbows. They will take you down fast, even with the best defenses in the world. If they can't see you, on the other hand.... Takes about 8 stealth to go undetected for that part of the game, if I remember correctly. That's a lot of xp to spend, but stealth can make every mission so much easier. Of course, as a Ventrue you have the alternative of Mass Suicide (Domination 5) to take these guys out. Still easy, but there's greater risk involved.

Your ranged feat is already 8, which is good enough for anything except the alternate fire modes for the sniper rifles. Since you don't have Auspex, you might consider going for the full 5 points in Perception, Firearms, or both. That's up to you, though. Ranged 8 should be more than sufficient.

You don't really need to have melee or brawling up very high if you're already good at ranged. Brawling will help you feed on mortals you are engaged in combat with, but you're Ventrue. Just Trance the last guy standing and feed to your heart's content. Besides, Blood Buff will raise your strength and stamina both up to 5 if you ever really need to engage in melee combat. Just make sure to kill quickly, as Blood Buff is your most expensive discipline to use. Activating it more than once per fight is not an efficient use of your blood points.

If you were still downtown and had not yet done Larry's "Traffik" mission, you could get your Finance up to 5 without spending any more xp on it. That would help a little with the cost of ammo. Even if you've already done Larry's mission, you can still use the Finance manual downtown for one more point.

Normally for a Ventrue I would strongly recommend taking both Presence and Fortitude up to 5. With both of them running, you are all but indestructible. Only the most powerful enemies would be able to harm you. But if you're as far into the game as I think you are, then don't spend any more xp on disciplines until you're satisfied with everything else.
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Anaximander wrote:I disagree. If you know the game well enough to know where all the free stat increases are, you can easily get all three of your disciplines to level 5 and still have xp to spend on other things. However, judging by how much xp you've already spent and how much you say you have, I would guess you're either well into Hollywood by now. If that's true, then you've already missed many opportunites for free stat increases and now it's time to play conservatively.
You see, there we disagree. The point is not whether you can get all of your disciplines maxed out. The point is whether or not it is worth the expense. I used to collect all forms of armor, and wear the best I had. Then I found out a few things, and only collect 3. My basic duds that I start the game with, the leather from Fat Larry, and the ballistic from my ghoul. I mainly use the leather, because I, too, am a fan of sneak, and that armor doesn't interfere with it. I only use the ballistic when sneaking becomes fundamentally useless. Basically from the Sheriff on.

Not spending on the other kinds of armor gives me coin to be able to afford things like the high-caliber automatic, and the automatic shotgun. Of course, I normally end the game with a few large, but best to have too much money than too little.
Anaximander wrote:I'm a big fan of stealth, myself. There will be a point near the end of the game where you will be caught in a crossfire between 4 flaming crossbows. They will take you down fast, even with the best defenses in the world. If they can't see you, on the other hand.... Takes about 8 stealth to go undetected for that part of the game, if I remember correctly. That's a lot of xp to spend, but stealth can make every mission so much easier. Of course, as a Ventrue you have the alternative of Mass Suicide (Domination 5) to take these guys out. Still easy, but there's greater risk involved.
I've never had that big a problem with them, but then again I can suicide 2 of them, and trance the other 2 for a quick feeding. Of course, if you have your ranged up to 9 by then, you can drop each of them with a single shot from concealment before they can get a useful shot off. Under conditions like that, the trick is to not allow your attention to get dissipated. When you've killed one, that's one less crossbow to worry about. Keep focussed, and in about four seconds, you're not in a cross-fire anymore. Two seconds later, there is only one flaming crossbow. Then you can walk right up to the guy and slice out his gizzard if that suits you.

But I do agree that stealth is a good thing. If you can get it to 9, you're all but invisible. That's really handy.
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Well i now have ranged of 9, and i have got dominate up to level 4, fortitude and presence are still on level 3. I am up to the second quest in hollywood, so still have some exp to gain so i will get dominate up to level 5 and my other 2 disclipines up as high as i can.

Edit: I have decided to start again as a Malk and focus on Ranged Weapons, Disclipines, Persuasion and Finance (to reduce crippling ammo costs!). Anything else i should focus on?

Also, when i copy out my Ventrue save files, how come there are so few when in game there appear to be so many? (or is this just me?!)
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depends on what u want

If u want a powerful character in combat always max def , its amazing (its a huge difference between 5 and 10, bullets do no damage, many weapons barely scratch you, even aggrevated damage, fire is the only danger).

I love def in bloodlines and always have it high, my first playthrough i had it at six and died constantly and got frustrated at the game.
My second i maxed it quick and enemies couldnt touch my char (i killed ming with katana and a 10 in melee and 10 def without bloodpacks and discplines once)

The 4 crossbow dudes at the end will probably not get to lower than half life if u melee them with max defense, if you shot em with good firarms skill then, well they should die much quicker.

Be warned tough,the game becomes easy with max defense

combine it with your fort discp of 3 and your a tank, a tank with regeneration ;)
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[quote="Jhereg]You see"]

Right. I just don't see the xp cost as an issue, and with few exceptions I rather enjoy the power of level 5 disciplines. To each his own, I suppose.

[quote="Jhereg]I've never had that big a problem with them"]

Yes, they are rather easily dispatched with Domination or Dementation. Characters with a decent level of Celerity or Obfuscate should have no difficulty either. The hardest time I had with the flaming crossbow guys in Ming's temple was when I played a Gangrel and didn't bother with stealth or animalism. Putting no points into either of those was a huge mistake. Those guys tore me apart in no time. Ironically with Fortitude 5 and Protean 5 Ming Xiao herself was pathetically easy to destroy. That was my first time playing a Gangrel. It was that experience that really made me appreciate stealth.
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I have now started again as Malkavian as the lack of stealth bored me a litte (i LOVE stealth aspects). And i now have level 3 dementation and Auspex and level 4 obfuscate and i havent even done the first downtown main quest yet! (im quite proud of that for some reason!), i also have reasonable firearms skill, defense and persuade (5 i think). I am either going to work on upgrading my firearms and defense now, or save up fo level 5 obfuscate!
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