Purifier +5 vs. Carsomyr +6

es-0 · Post by **es-0** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:38 pm

what's the better choice?

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:43 am

Shouldn't the real question be if anyone ever uses Purifier?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:49 am

es-0 wrote:what's the better choice?

That depends on for what?
If you are sword/shield type or 2handed weapon type the answer will differ. You have to specify your query for people to be able to give a better reply.

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 4:29 am

No, it doesn't differ. I can understand your interest in giving a full-lenght, in-depth answer from every point of view possible, since that's what this forum usually gives, but in this case it's not necessary.

Carsomyr is THE weapon of the game, obtainable in SoA and unmatched untill the end of the series. Purifier is a secondhand weapon, easially matched by at least half a dozen onehanders and not a clear choise for any class.

So no. It doesn't differ. Hell would freeze over before Purifier could challenge Carsomyr.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:49 am

Thrifalas wrote:No, it doesn't differ. I can understand your interest in giving a full-lenght, in-depth answer from every point of view possible, since that's what this forum usually gives, but in this case it's not necessary.

Carsomyr is THE weapon of the game, obtainable in SoA and unmatched untill the end of the series. Purifier is a secondhand weapon, easially matched by at least half a dozen onehanders and not a clear choise for any class.

So no. It doesn't differ. Hell would freeze over before Purifier could challenge Carsomyr.

Now, see that is your opinion.
In my view the Purifier coupled with some shields make for pretty dang good combinations as well, and absolutly worth considering.

es-0 · Post by **es-0** » Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:41 am

i was trying to compare the abilities of Carsomyr+6 over Purifier+5 (with a off-hand weapon of shield, or even the purifier as the off hand)

i wasn't sure becuase it seemed like the purifier gave about the same bonuses as Carsomyr while having the option of a second weapon or shield for more bonuses

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:33 pm

es-0 wrote:i wasn't sure becuase it seemed like the purifier gave about the same bonuses as Carsomyr while having the option of a second weapon or shield for more bonuses

Carsomyr has almost twice the resistance or Purifier, Carsomyr *dispels magic on hit*, Carsomyr is acquirable very very early and lasts through the game. It is the main weapon for paladins and 2h-wielding bards, and as I said, once you get Purifier there's tons of better 1h weapons to use.

What do you gain by wielding a shield? By the time you gain it, everyone will hit you despite your AC. Dual-wielding in offhand? Maybe, but 30% mr isn't all that great. Really.

rbeverjr · Post by **rbeverjr** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:05 am

Foebane in the main hand and Purifier in the offhand is a good combination. Add Improved Haste and you will probably do more damage than Carsomyr in many battles. However, Carsomyr is a better choice in general because of the dispel magic on hit. Then again Protection from Magical Weapons becomes a favorite for some tough enemies in ToB, which hurts that ability a little. Long live Breach.

Lady Morgana · Post by **Lady Morgana** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:46 pm

I'm a hardcore paladin player and though carsomyr is the strongest weapon in the game the purifier is the second best one hander in the game its +5 and does a further plus 5 vs evil oppnents which is just about every enemy in the game you can use a shield with it or the answer for a killer combo.
and to one of the above users
list the swords that are better

Klorox · Post by **Klorox** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:02 pm

The only time I'd use Purifier is if I had a Paladin protagonist and was using Keldorn as well.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:37 pm

I'm a bard player, mainly Blades. Purifier provides a good one handed weapon in that it gives the bonuses that it does while being one handed. I would pair it with the Scarlet Ninja-To +3 or some other weapon that increases my attack.

Sure it dispells on hit, but there are only so many fights when you have one target.

I sually solo th egame, and from my point of view, as a bard, Carsomyr is rather useless to that class.

Sure it's good for a paladin or most variations of the Fighter/Thief dual classes, but otherwise it's just not that good.

In fact I have to say that Fighter/Thief dual classed characters make better use of it than Paladins do.

It's true that caromyr is much easier to acquire, but the Purifier has a wider range of uses.

The fact that you can have a bunch of different combinations with the purifier makes it so much better than Caromyr.

Ian Kognitow · Post by **Ian Kognitow** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:59 pm

The problem with Purifier is that besides the class restriction, it becomes available so late in the game that it has little use--and it *still* is not as useful as Carsomyr. It's also a bastard sword, which doesn't really have any particularly good representatives in all of SoA - making it so that one has to specialize in a poor weapons-class just to get a weapon (or two, if you count foebane) in ToB, which is effectively a poor imitation of a better weapon from another class that can be obtained far earlier in the game. And as far as *other* swords that are better, except for the rare instances in which one *requires* a +5 weapon, I would generally prefer Blackrazor, Celestial Fury, Lilarcor (I like mind shields), Angurvadal (if the character didn't already have a +20 strength belt), Chaos blade, and maybe even Daystar over purifier.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:16 pm

Don't forget that we're talking about those two swords only I'd use scimitars, shortswords and a ninja-to if I had a choice, but we're not talking about that. You can't say that you get Carsomyr earlier in the game. You can say that it is easier to get. Spoiler:

Spoiler

Purifier +4 is found on the third level of Watcher's Keep, which is accessible in SoA. The Eye of Tyr, which is required to upgrade both swords is found within Sendai's Enclave.

There is one component used to upgrade the swords, the same component, and they can be obtained easily (in my opinnion at least as I've started with a level 7 character, soloing the game, and got them both).

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:20 pm

Crenshinibon, if you're going to put up spoilers, please put that kind of material inside a proper bracket-spoiler-end-brackets.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:40 pm

Sorry. I'll edit the post right now.

Ian Kognitow · Post by **Ian Kognitow** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:50 pm

Crenshinibon wrote:Don't forget that we're talking about those two swords only I'd use scimitars, shortswords and a ninja-to if I had a choice, but we're not talking about that. You can't say that you get Carsomyr earlier in the game. You can say that it is easier to get.

It seems that we both were posting around the same time and I had mainly been responding to Lady Morgana's post, which had asked, in general, what swords might be considered better than Purifier. But anyway, as to the question of obtaining the weapons, I had mainly been considering Purifier +5, specifically, which is only obtainable late in ToB. The +4 version is considerably weaker (-10%MR bonus, no dispel, no cure) while the only difference in the Carsomyr upgrade is the +6 over +5.

Crenshinibon · Post by **Crenshinibon** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:33 pm

Purifier +5 is obtainable at the same time as Carsomyr +6. It's all a matter of what you upgrade first. Again, the thing that Purifier has over Carsomyr is that it's one handed and is better to use with a greater variety of classes than the two handed sword. I say that an Answerer/Purifier combination can be much more deadly that a single Caromyr. Of course it may provide more damage options and is good at demolishing a single target, but I believe that the one hand of freedom that the Purifier gives to the player can serve both offensive and defensive purposes. For the freedom of using your other hand, sure, you miss out on 20% MR and a dispel on hit, which isn't that great as the area of effect spell Dispel Magic gets the job done even better. In my opinion, when dual wielding, the Purifier is more of a defensive tool, unless faced with evil opponents. There are so many things that can enhance the essence of the weapon, like using a shield or using another weapon like Crom Fayer or Angurvadal as you have mentioned. With proper item combinations, all of which include the Purifier you can almost reach the maximum MR of Carsomyr combinations while dishing out greater damage (and possibly killing the opponents MR as well as AC).

Onkel Bob · Post by **Onkel Bob** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:22 pm

Ian Kognitow wrote:It seems that we both were posting around the same time and I had mainly been responding to Lady Morgana's post, which had asked, in general, what swords might be considered better than Purifier. But anyway, as to the question of obtaining the weapons, I had mainly been considering Purifier +5, specifically, which is only obtainable late in ToB. The +4 version is considerably weaker (-10%MR bonus, no dispel, no cure) while the only difference in the Carsomyr upgrade is the +6 over +5.

But that's a clear reason to upgrade Purifier and not Carsomyr right there.

Also Foebane is obtainable really easy and early in the game.

And to the guy that said Carsomyr was the ultimate weapon we certainly do not agree. Celestial Fury and Flail of the Ages are both better. Also I consider the Staff of the Magi better as well. And Scarlet Ninja-To is beginning to really climb up my list.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:28 pm

Also had a bug in my game which made me consider the Purifier more then Carsomyr, and that is that Magic Resistance additions seemed buggy at best.
At one point in ToB I should have had 80 MR with the Carsomyr, but depending on in what order I added the equipment on my character it flucturated between 50 to 80, but I had less of an issue with the MR on the Purifier. Seems my game had trouble adding numbers

That made me go more for the Purifier, and especially added with a weapon which gives you negative plane protection (hate level drain, hate it

) for dual wield, or simply a good shield.

The case between the two weapons is not as clear cut as some might seem to present. It very much comes down to "build", but no doubt a +5/+6 2handed weapon is powerfull, but it is hard to compete with a warrior for sheer meele power, even if just using the Silver Blade.

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:01 pm

Xandax wrote:Also had a bug in my game which made me consider the Purifier more then Carsomyr, and that is that Magic Resistance additions seemed buggy at best.
At one point in ToB I should have had 80 MR with the Carsomyr, but depending on in what order I added the equipment on my character it flucturated between 50 to 80, but I had less of an issue with the MR on the Purifier. Seems my game had trouble adding numbers

It's a well-known bug, that Carsomyr doesn't *give* 50% MR, it sets it to 50%. There's a patch to fix it somewhere. Really hard to get over 100 without it. Well, FoA+Purif gives both good damage output and resistance, but anyway. ;]