I feel so dumb for asking this.

[Scar_of_tonight]

Do you have to be "power gameing" to to the crazy dual classes?? (fighter/thief) Either way, how do you atcually get it to where you can "power game"??

[smass]

Powergaming is simply a term given to describe a style of play where the player uses the games rule system to create the most powerful characters with little regard to roleplaying. Examples would be min/maxing statistics, combining character classes to create uber powerful builds, taking advantage of scripting or coding exploits in the game, using game editors to change character stats/XP/gold/equipment, etc.

Hope this helps - If you were looking for something else let us know - I am not sure what you were really asking in your post...

[Scar_of_tonight]

Thank you that makes a lot of sence.

The real thing that I was asking is, how is it possible for a single person, in this game, to crate there whole party?

[mr_sir]

To create an entire party, select multiplayer and you will be able to create up to 6 characters in a party (you do not have to actually be playing with other people to do this even though it is using the multiplayer function).

[Scar_of_tonight]

Thank you Mr Sir. Now back to my real question, do you have to be in this mode to do the crazy dual-class stuff?

[mr_sir]

You can dual class in the normal single player mode - whether or not you can dual a character is dependent on their stats and race. I think only humans can dual class whereas any race can multiclass. You also need a minimum amount in the main stat of the second class and the main stat of the first class. I can't remember the values off the top of my head but if you search this board there are a few threads on dual-classing.

[Scar_of_tonight]

Once again, thank you Mr Sir. I have been wondering all of this since the game is not giving me the option to even dual-class I hope it's not cause I'm Kensai, since I no I have all right stats, except for alignment. Once agian thanks.

[Thrifalas]

Thank you Mr Sir. Now back to my real question, do you have to be in this mode to do the crazy dual-class stuff?

Power gaming isn't a real mode, it just describes the way a player plays his game. Usually, in this game, you play a few runs with role-playing, being interesting in the world, the characters etc. Then, when the magic is gone and you know in the back of your head exactly how every conversation follows, you try to master the game, killing tougher and tougher mobs on lower levels and with fewer equipment untill you've mastered it. That part of the gameplay is called powergaming. Play for the joy of conquering and progressing as a player, not for the feeling and magic of the game.

What you need to dual-class is simple. 15 in your main stats (strenght for a kensai), 17 in whatever class you're dualling to. You need to of the correct alignment and higher level than 1. It must, of cource, be a valid multi-class option as well. And yeah, only humans are eligable for dual-classing.

So, dualling to a thief would require non-LG alignment, 15 strenght, 17 dextierity. Dualling to a druid would require TN alignment, 15 strenght and 17 wisdom. Cleric the same, though all alignment works.

If you dont even get the option to dual-class it's either because you're not a human or you don't have sufficient strenght (15) for a kensai. Alignment and stats of the class you're dualling to shouldn't apply untill you're actually picking a class, iirc.

[Scar_of_tonight]

Thank you for that collection of knowledge. I was just reading through the gamers manual and it says that kits can't dual class, which judging by the fact your all answering this, isn't true. Do you need to do anything special because I am lost, like I can't even choose to dual-class?? I don't want to come off as whinny but I am going crazy trying to figure this out.

[VonDondu]

Characters with kits can be dual-classed. Only the first class can be a kit, though; the second class cannot be a kit. You might be confusing dual-class characters with multi-class characters. Multi-class characters can't have kits at all.

Only humans can be dual-classed. You also need to meet the minimum stat requirements. I can't remember exactly what the minimum stat requirements are (I think it's 17 in the primary stat of the first class and 15 in the primary stat or stats of the second class), but it's a moot point if you're "power gaming" since you ought to put the maximum number of points in stats where it counts (and put whatever points are left over in stats that aren't important). In other words, if you want to create a Kensai dualled to a Mage, put 18 in Strength and 18 in Intelligence. Those stats exceed the requirements for dual-classing.

Here's an example of a "power gaming" character. Start with a Human Kensai. Keep hitting the Reroll button until you get a good set of stats. You know that you can redistribute stat points, right? If you get 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 10, that's a total of 85 points, and it's a pretty good roll. Redistribute those points until you have 18/xx, 18,18, 18, 3, 10. That's call "min-maxing" because you're putting maximum points in the most important stats and putting minimum points in the least important stats. When you get to 9th level (or 12th level or 13th level, depending on your preference), hit the dual-class button and dual-class to a Thief or a Mage. That's a "power gaming" character, especially if he dual-wields Crom Faeyr and Celestial Fury. A Kensai/Mage can use Stoneskin and other enhancement spells, so the armor restriction isn't too important. A Kensai/Thief can eventually acquire the High Level Ability called Use Any Item which removes restrictions on most items.

I still chuckle every time I see someone say, "Dude! You've gotta try a Kensai/Mage dual-wielding Crom Faeyr and Celestial Fury. It's awesome!" Their enthusiasm is charming. But that's exactly what I recommend to anyone who wants to be a "power gamer".

[Horus]

What are the stats of your character? (Strenght, Dexterity etc.)

[Scar_of_tonight]

The stats of my character are 18/56, 18, 18, 15, 10, 3 (18 with ring of HI).