Non-Detection (the spell, the cloak)

Earnest · Post by **Earnest** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:44 am

Does this really do anything in BG2? My gut feeling is that it has no practical effect, as enemies do not seem to use Detect Invisible, only True Sight. The list of other effects in the spell description (clairvoyance, clairaudience etc) form no part of the game surely.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:22 pm

Earnest wrote:Does this really do anything in BG2? My gut feeling is that it has no practical effect, as enemies do not seem to use Detect Invisible, only True Sight. The list of other effects in the spell description (clairvoyance, clairaudience etc) form no part of the game surely.

with hide in shadows, and ONLY with hide in shadows it makes you immune to true seeing.

for mages, however, spell immunity divination works much much better.

Deadalready · Post by **Deadalready** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:21 pm

It also works wonderfully with the staff of magi.

Earnest · Post by **Earnest** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:33 pm

OK thanks thats valuable info. My past experiences of being discovered must have been when i was magically invisible.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:00 pm

Deadalready wrote:It also works wonderfully with the staff of magi.

it was either hide in shadows, or staff of magi where the cloak protects from true seeing...i don't use either much, so i don't remember..

Rav · Post by **Rav** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:50 pm

Hide in Shadows definitely works. Funny thing is, the mages will cast all their detection spells because they will know you are around, but this will be fruitless for them. If you wait for them to wear off, the entire party can then enter with the invisibility spell and be jsut as undetectable - because the enemy has no spells to do so anymore!

Rav

Philos · Post by **Philos** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:38 pm

Well,

This helps explain a couple of things I had wondered about. Everytime I have gone into the Adventurer's Mart with one of my characters still invisible (possibly in shadows too), Ribald almost immediately casts True Seeing. Very annoying when I had just planned to quickly pick up something on my way to another part of town. So I gather that he has some means of "detection", item or spell effect running at all times. So if I have "Non-Detection" cast on someone, he won't know they are there and not cast True Seeing?

Thrifalas · Post by **Thrifalas** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:18 pm

Not according to the wording of the cloak, which states that you're un-detectlable by detect magic or scrying, and other similar means. I didn't know that True Sight negated this effect, which makes it pretty much useless. As said, pro: divination is a much better choice.

UserUnfriendly · Post by **UserUnfriendly** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:06 pm

Philos wrote:Well,

This helps explain a couple of things I had wondered about. Everytime I have gone into the Adventurer's Mart with one of my characters still invisible (possibly in shadows too), Ribald almost immediately casts True Seeing. Very annoying when I had just planned to quickly pick up something on my way to another part of town. So I gather that he has some means of "detection", item or spell effect running at all times. So if I have "Non-Detection" cast on someone, he won't know they are there and not cast True Seeing?

nope...nondetection, the spell is utterly useless...

used by a thief mage, you are still vulnerable to true seeing.

enemy mages cast true seeing by script when the script detects an invisible character within line of sight...the ONLY protection is...

hide in shadows WITH THE CLOAK ONLY

improved or standard invisible spell (or item) with spell immunity divination...

and mislead, with the visible clone out of range of line of sight...

(almost forgot about this one...if you cast mislead, and the visible image is out of range of the mage casting true sight, you cannot be detected...):mischief:

Rav · Post by **Rav** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:43 pm

Philos wrote: So if I have "Non-Detection" cast on someone, he won't know they are there and not cast True Seeing?

If you use the cloak instead, they wil cast true seeing still. But the casting won't be of any use.

Deadalready · Post by **Deadalready** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:37 pm

I believe the spell "Non Detection" is actually dispelled by "True Sight" anyway, which kinda makes it a useless thing to have.